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The US has approved 5 nuclear reactors this century, 2 of which were later cancelled due to costs. Vogtle 3/4 came online 15 years after govt approval and cost $31 bln. China approved 11 reactors this week that are expected to cost $31 bln collectively and be ready in 5 years.
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This is may be a feature, not a bug. China can brute force with capital, having no labor or regulatory burden. The US will need to side government and labor by inventing light weight alternatives—like lightweight fusion reactors—but which have intrinsically better scale beyond
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India also gets it done it about as cheaply and quickly as China does. 15 years and $30B is a uniquely American problem. It seems we talk up a good game, but have greater and greater difficulty getting large projects done.
People in China work for WAY less, construction safety regs are much less, and the government is fully behind the push to build standardized designs: Meanwhile, in the US, the government is hesitant to provide more than the most limited support to nuclear (loan guarantees).
We need a great power nuclear reactor NOT nuclear weapons race. Scale pebble bed reactors. Clean cheap energy for all.
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High-speed rail development is much the same. There must be a happy medium. (Safety standards for nuclear reactors are intense in the States. Would you be willing to live downwind of a Chinese plant?)
Is a 5 year completion realistic? Nevertheless, very impressive. this type of scale would never happen here even though it should.
These 11 reactors is only for this year’s permitting decision btw..will be more next year…large scale and continuous pipeline of projects=ongoing costs savings and technological improvements=lower costs low carbon energy for industrial and civilian usages=technological dominance
I don’t think quoting Chinese government figures in comparison proves much. Also, even per the PRC, they will cost “at least” $31 billion.
9B for VC Summer NPP here in South Carolina, which had to be shut down before it was completed!
Pretty funny, isn't it? One other difference -- after Fukushima, China banned new nukes on rivers and coasts or near populated areas. Their nukes are in the boonies where they belong. Otherwise speaks volumes about our low quality E&C. Nukes are a lot of risk with no return
how safe are they going to be though? I have no problem with nuclear energy, but a bunch of reactors built in 5 years doesn't fill me with confidence.
The only country with a serious nuclear pipeline today is China, so it's notable that their investments in renewables *dwarf* their investments in nukes. China installed over 300 GW of solar+wind in 2023, and 1.2 GW of nuclear.
Sure but we have windmills baby. And when the wind blows, boy, do we have lots of electricity. Well, maybe not lots but it's green....ish.
Corruption is widespread in the US. In China you can get life in prison for corruption and some big leaders have been put in jail.
Can we figure out the causes for the disparities beyond generalities such as red tape, permitting, etc? Its hard to attack the problem without well defined targets.
We will fall further and further behind the more Republicans convince the public that government is their natural enemy, suffocating our infrastructure.
“Communist China did this wildly unpopular thing despite all reasonable and logical objections from the citizens and that’s what I want the US government to do” is not really the flex you think it is. Let’s ask some Uighurs what they think of your position.
80% bureaucracy tax. US stop building reactors by 1980. Institution memory is eroded. Dopes control the process. Innovation in the US will be built oversea. Look at the Korean version APC 1000 (Georgia build) and the cost.
China uses American reactor designs with the redundant safety measures as well. Maybe that's why some folks want Chinese-style top-down government here. Trudeau loves how they handle climate change.