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Ashley St. Clair
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A bill that is 1,500 pages is too long. A bill that is 160 pages is too long. Bills that are the size of a novel (or five) should not be normalized. We fundamentally need to change how we have been passing the expenditure of taxpayer dollars in this country.
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Leavemealone
@Leaveme58694423
You miss the conservative/libertarian view entirely: Congress should not write laws for every specific circumstance. There should be a limited set of general rules (e.g Private property, Fraud banned). That courts use. Markets are fairly well functioning and fail far less...
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John Hawkins🔰
@JohnnySquawkins
Button 3: we don’t need Chevron because separation of powers means the judicial branch will handle corner cases, not the executive branches special regulatory courts
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Brad DB
@BDBSoCal
You solve this dilemma with LIMITED government that doesn’t constantly tey to interfere with people’s Liberty.
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Yitzhak Kornbluth
@YitziKornbluth
Indeed; bills do sometimes need to be somewhat long in order to have details. But when it's longer than a short novel, that's strong reason to suspect that maybe it actually should have been broken up into multiple more targeted bills.
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The Zen Realtor 🙏🇵🇸🇸🇩 🇱🇧🇭🇹 🇨🇩
@zenrealtornyc
1. Fulano definitely doesn't support genocide. 2. single issue bills are good. 3. lawmakers actually reading the bills they vote on is best practice.
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Scot
@ScotFavorite
US Constitution is 4400 words. Using Times New Roman font, 1-inch margin, 14 points you should be able to get about 1600 words on one 8.5 by 11 sheet of paper. That is 2.75 sheets of paper…let’s call it 3 pages. They built a country on 3 sheets of paper.
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childishgiambona
@childishgiambon
These people have teams and make millions to write and pass laws. There’s no reason unrelated subjects ALWAYS need bundling into omnibus BS. I get there’s some horse trading, that’s life. But it needs to be checked at some point.
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Danyul ☄
@danielspalmtree
Chevron was created so Republicans could stonewall democrats from enforcing environmental regulations, and Chevron was repealed to keep democrats from enforcing any regulations. Fun fact, Neil Gorsuch's mom was head of the EPA at that time...
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SILAWZ
@stucknLAwzmbies
You’d be surprised how easy it is if you don’t overthink it. The CFR’s are frequently just jargon ridden and repetitive. Many times that’s intentional to cloud the effect of a provision and allow silent rulemaking via enforcement.
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Vincent Van Go
@GregOwen70
Yep, if laws can't fit on a postcard and still be enforced and useful, then don't pass them. Let the states handle anything that complicated. As they were meant to.
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Alex Crawford
@GeneralChaos42
A simple continuing resolution shouldn’t be 1500 pages long. Technical regulations should be as specific as necessary regardless of length…
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John Cuyle
@johncuyle
Or, third option, laws which require that much detail are almost certainly beyond the limited scope of the US government’s enumerated powers.
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David Wright
@dcwuser
We don’t need Chevron even if agencies flesh out regulatory law. Overturning Chevron just means the agencies have to actually justify their regulations when challenged rather than just getting deference.
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Invisible Hallucination
@Mikulodian
Bills should be as long as they need to be. Congresspeople should have ample time to read them. 10 minutes per page sounds about right. That would mean 7 weeks before the 1,500 pages bill could be voted on and nothing new could be introduced during that time.
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MANSUY Adrien
@mansuy_adrien
That isn't what chevron was doing Chevron basically meant "experts" could not only make up interpretations of laws but ENFORCE them as such with absolutely zero oversight or verification. Chevron was overturned so these modifications would actually need to be approved
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Orange Juche
@OrangeJuche
the sentiment is correct, but the end of chevron really just frees the court to review clear counterlegal policymaking by the departments, and can be quite useful with the right regulations in place
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Dorn
@iamjohndorn
Re-read the 10th Amendment. The powers actually delegated to the United States don't require Chevron or more than a postcard.
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Remington
@CollectPanda33
Both. If your legislation needs to be hidden and buried under a thousand pages to pass then it doesn’t deserve too. The government doesn’t need an opinion on every aspect of our lives and society
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Jake
@Jvel10
"Government agencies should do less." Wow, that 3rd button was very easy and made things so much better.
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Plotter
@Coupplot
Great outcome. Neither button is pushed and so a lot less laws constraining our freedoms are passed.
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Bill Woody
@w3woody
Personally I'm in support of "single subject" bills, regardless of length. That is a bill that addresses a single topic without riders that have nothing to do with the primary subject of the bill. Does it make sense that a bill addressing school reform has a rider on wetlands?
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Adam
@thorell9
Government should be entirely unable to function because then I can't be taxed or regulated.
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Gabriel Syme
@GabrielSyme777
This is only a conundrum because the federal governments is several orders of magnitude too large. A right-sized government could get its job done with small (and few) bills.
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Heather Kessler
@chrlivestock
Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but ending Chevron just ended the presumption of deference to bureaucratic rule makers. It didn’t say they couldn’t make regs.
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Ethan
@0xEthanS
or maybe we just happen to live in a common law system and the courts will just figure it out
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Walter Watson
@crazywalt77
Chevron gave unelected bureaucrats carte blanche to interpret the law without any legal pushback. Now, they have to show that their interpretation makes legal sense. Balance has been returned.
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Emjaygee
@realemjaygee
Actually the point is that the courts do not need to *defer* to agency officials. That’s a lot different than the laws being hyper-specific (and hence, according to this meme, very long)
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Craig Merriman
@MerrimanCr13749
The point is the national government shouldn’t be involved in 99% of what they’re involved in. Writing a few very specific laws every year isn’t that hard.
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StrongBones
@Calcium4theMind
Alternatively we let this “postcard bills” attitude rise during republican majorities and then their legislature will move at a glacial pace while hopefully still getting met with the same resistance.
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uhffe
@izoha4855
The people who want less government are making it harder to do more government. Is that surprising?
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Michael Smith
@MichaelSmi68839
Actually read Chevron. It caused courts to defer to executive agencies. This caused agency bloat. The judicial branch now will review more edge cases and prevent executive agencies from making their own rules.
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Tertullian
@TertullianRand
I don’t want “specific laws that can handle every circumstance” because that is not the role of the federal government. So this is an easy choice.
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Carl Pham
@CarlPham9000
Or...here's a thought! Maybe Congress doesn't (or even shouldn't!) write law to precisely specify what each and every free man in a republic must do, all the time. It's called liberty and adulthood, and it's exhilirating once you try it.
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Toasty
@toastyJ
The length is what she's calling out, but it's not even the main problem.. The problem is that in those 1500 pages are a BUNCH of UNRELATED things. I don't care if a bill is 1500 pages about a single issue/topic/whatever. I care if there is a bill that addresses farm subsidies,
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Carl-hermann Freese 🏴‍☠️🇺🇸🏁🐲 (Drake/Dragon)
@JarlDrake
We don't need Chevron because as the Supreme pointed out The legislature had already passed a federal statute making it Illegal. As the Executive had "Forgotten" to mention it. The bureaucrats in the executive being restrained by law is legend.
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Adam Devereaux
@wiredsim
Ppl complaining about how "many pages" US Laws are don't realize it's a derived property of having a Common Law legal system, It's essentially a "copy-paste" programming model, with minimal use of independent libraries. Each law needs its own functions & relationship definitions
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Ideal Swell 🌊
@IdealSwell
Both of these things are absolutely true and right. You’re just too fucking stupid to realize how fucking stupid you are. You’re that kid on the short bus whose mom tells them is special and you believe it because, again, you ride the short bus.
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Roger the Data Scientist
@GayModerateGuy
If it were 1500 pages dealing with a single very very complex topic, you’d have a point. But it was a bill that married cancer research to raises for Congress and a sports stadium in DC. There is no defense for that. It’s utter trash.
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Robert Watson
@watson1787
Overturning Chevron told regulators they don't have the authority to self-adjudicate their reams of regulations. Alternatively, Congress issuing reams of regulations (on dubious Constitutional authority) is bad as a practical matter. Government governs best, which governs least.
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TRUMP 2024
@Uhlawyer
Tell me you don’t actually understand chevron without telling me you don’t actually understand chevron…
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Jason Nichols
@TheJasonNichols
I think there's some wiggle room between "1,500 pages" and "post card". That room is called common sense. Everyone knew the only reason you have a 1,500 page bill is to cover corruption.
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Rom Tiddle
@demons_under
Besides not getting the point, you also fail to realize that that it is the role of the courts is to interpret laws, which the Chevron Doctorine was against.
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Robert Yeip
@RobertYeip
Excellent job in setting up a strawman argument. Now, do you have anything intelligent to add to the debate?
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Mala
@themalacast
Lol no. Very easy to write a short bill and you know it. “Raise the debt limit by X” doesn’t need a thousand pages of clarification. Nor were bills famously short under chevron 😂 Is there one honest man on the left or are you all dishonest shits?
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warrbo
@warrbo
there is nothing inconsistent about this. the issue is unaccountable rulemaking. a giant bill voted on party lines is not at all solving the issue that we have no democratic accountability on the individual rules. short bills might.
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Ike
@Ike_the_Ike
Feds need a little more humility about what's their business and what's not.
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Harris
@Harris896359023
You must never knew the thing called single issue bill. How the left can’t meme and plz stop trying, it’s just weird, like you’re trying to make jokes in Chinese and you don’t even speak Chinese.
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