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Crémieux
@cremieuxrecueil
This is an incredible quote, but what I was more shocked by was learning that it would only cost $24 billion to be prepared for ANY VIRAL PANDEMIC. For a few pennies to the federal government, the U.S. could simply crush any new viral pandemic before it gets serious.
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Matthew Yglesias
@mattyglesias
Unfortunately the main champion of this policy before Congress was a young cryptocurrency entrepreneur with an interest in effective altruism.
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Crémieux
@cremieuxrecueil
Oh, but it did!
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Crémieux
@cremieuxrecueil
It's worth reminding people that COVID did start off much more deadly than the flu, and then the excess largely deadliness disappeared. x.com/jburnmurdoch/s…
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Noom
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Gok
@Gok
yep we could have dozens of vaccines that 50% of Americans would refuse to take
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Passive Observer
@PassiveObs77464
Don't understand how my side has become anti-vaccine, but I don't think this is getting funded under RFK. Even though it could literally be the best 24b ever spent.
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Joe Duarte 🏜️
@ValidScience
Doubtful. I don't think a large enough percentage of the population would be willing to be injected with any of these vaccines or vaccine-like products in the next rodeo. Maybe half? Trust is broken. If it's the NIH, FDA, CDC making claims about these pharmaceutical products,
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Clark H
@Clarksterh
I’d take that w a HUGE grain of salt. Some viruses are just difficult, and even when you finally figure it out… it takes trials to be sure and time to spin up manufacturing for the correct strain. Challenge trials plus having mfg ready to go, are probably bigger savings.
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Mankosmash
@Mankosmash
Umm this is how we got COVID. The Chinese were making viruses with gain of function to learn how to fight them - which doesn't work anyway because GOF doesn't accurately mimic natural evolution anyway. We can't anticipate new viruses.
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Ryan Lackey
@octal
Is this a uniquely governmental activity? Could an NGO or company do it as well (possibly cheaper)?
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Dog Playing Piano
@DogPlayingPiano
If the same uptake pattern for covid shots occurred, you would get about 12-15% participation. Prevent pandemics by stopping gain of function. Fire the people who helped create the Covid 19 mess.
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affective autist
@AffectiveAutism
the issue is not with the vaccines but with lockdowns that did a ton of economic damage (amongst other things) the most vaccinated regions also had a *positive* correlation with more rights restrictions so a lot would need to change for me to feel comfortable with the government
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Alex Delarge
@delar64065
As we learned from COVID, it's ideal (for Big Pharma, anyway) to just develop the disease and the vaccine simultaneously.
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cromwellian
@cromwellian
Isn’t this kind of the point of Gain-of-function research? To make the next bad airborne/human crossover virus and its vaccine before the mutation happens naturally?
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An_OG 🔑⚡🇺🇸
@An__OG
Dude, to do that would require exactly what we've just learned we don't want; gain of function research.
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VFox
@drvictoriafox
Viruses can’t be crushed. They’re too small. Pandemic causing viruses like influenza, COVID-19 don’t meet the biological criteria for containment. Though their impacts can be mitigated somewhat. Pandemic planning is worthwhile for that reason.
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Mr. Reese
@drsurio
> it would (only) cost $24 billion to be prepared for ANY VIRAL PANDEMIC. Sounds eerily like a favourite leftist way of framing something to steer the discussion into their territory. There was a homan 60mins clip doing rounds last month and the overly smug lady has exact Ques!
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truesteel
@truesteel23
Same thing with the backup transformers for the power grid. An ounce of prevention is better than a pound of cure. We lack common sense.
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Shelleybe
@Shelleybe3
The Covid vaccine didn’t crush Covid in any capacity when it was introduced. How would these vaccines do it?
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Don't Mutilate Kids
@DontCutKids
The truly incredible quote is from you, where you express faith and belief that the federal government could simply crush any new viral pandemic. Have you learned nothing?!
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LogicBombzz
@LogicBombzz
What was the lab in Wuhan trying to do when they accidentally released COVID into the world, I am struggling to remember...
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AJ
@AJCmach
You dummies still haven’t realized it ain’t that easy to prevent a highly contagious airborne virus?
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Elftown Community
@OfficialElftown
If you believe proven lying criminal anti-human demons, you think the criminal government who try to exterminate you can save you from the next scamdemic: "For a few pennies to the federal government, the U.S. could simply crush any new viral pandemic before it gets serious."
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Randall Parker #VaccinesForMoreViruses
@futurepundit
I don't believe that figure. Also, what we most need to prepare against a pandemic is enough vaccine production capacity to make billions of doses of vaccines in a few months. Vaccine design is not the long pole. Production is the long pole.
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Chris Hawkins
@upgradeoptimism
I could be wrong, but don’t we “just” need lots of mean manufacturing and a way to fast track fda approval? Moderna had their vaccine ready in like 3 days…before latest AI. I’m sure more prep is good, but FDA reform is the cheapest/most important step to the next pandemic.
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Gavin
@GavinMatheson
For an event that will happen again, and compared to a cost of $2 trillion for the last pandemic, this is a bargain. It won't happen, of course, but it's a bargain.
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Another Alt Another Day
@PhoneLazy
What are some other investments that the US federal government could do? So what could be the possibilities if the US spent $100 billion on pandemic prep/prevention (advanced spending) or better to put excess money into NIH research or FEMA infrastructure/preparedness?
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The Wasatchquatch
@waschatchsquach
Yes because the COVID vaccines were so effective, and so broad spectrum! The pandemic basically ended January 2021, and not after a much weaker and more contagious strain evolved... SMH
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nosimus
@nosimus1
"A few pennies" I suspect this is exactly the attitude within government that causes costs to magically balloon out of control. Hundreds of government agencies, all wanting access to a "few pennies" for their own divisions.
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Carlos E Alvarez
@CarlosEAlvare17
I'd be curious to see serious consideration of the open source peptide vax concept, which seems ideal both for rapid implementation and rapid switch of target sequence when viruses mutate.
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Carlos E Alvarez
@CarlosEAlvare17
Replying to @SteveStuWill
Note the striking RaDVaC concept of open source, essentially-real-time-peptide-seq vaccines. No filed patents/IP protections. All info on vax design, production, self-administration, and testing is freely shared on radvac.org. Omicron should have raised interest.
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Lisa
@LMplusG
We already know this… The problem was that Trump didn’t follow the plan.
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Prospero
@TonCherCopain
Avoiding Gain of Function research with ultra contagious viruses would also help reduce the chances of bringing to life the next abomination. Labs think they are ultra-safe and isolated, but the world shows again and again that's a foolish belief.
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Cam Lodack
@CamLodack
If they had said $200B, they would never see a cent. This $24B is what they think they have a good shot of getting approval for.
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Taxes are good
@Aftermath8
Also OWS was not any more of a success than vaccine development programs in much of the rest of the world. Europe, India, and China all developed similarly effective vaccines on or earlier than the timeline of OWS.
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Tornado Randy 🇺🇸
@Barrelrol1s
I’m confused. You mean they would have a bunch of prototypes that they would do RCT’s with to get an idea on side effects? Wouldn’t you still need a bunch of time to see if the vaccine worked? (Barring challenge trials)
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Cool Master
@CoolMaster312
Would the Covid-skeptic public agree to take all 26 vaccines quickly scrounged up by someone? After all of the deceit from the Gov't +Pharma to push out the mRNA vaccines, I believe only a small minority would subjecf themselves for more pre-EMU testing.
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Joe Gallagher
@JoeGall1423
What a great deal. I recommend you have your family be the test subjects for these new vaccines. And while you’re at it, you may want to find out where these new viruses came from.
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AbsoluteGnosis
@AbsoluteGnosis
No virus has ever been shown to cause or transmit a disease. Vaccines are pure poison with at best zero positive effect.
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Jamie Andrews
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A🧵 thread documenting Peer Reviewed Papers on Human trials of viruses. Of the ~50 throughout history they ALL produce negative results thus we can say: "The Peer reviewed science is unanimous VIRUSES DO NOT CAUSE DISEASE.
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goat_purple
@goatpurple1
I'm skeptical. A prototype would likely not target specific disease you'd need to modify it. Once it is modified would need to be retested.
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