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Alex Armlovich
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The big puzzle is why US & EU unions are so different Paris Métro workers signed up for automation-fueled wage hikes on zero-person trains, while in NYC, Samuelson said he won't ever allow MTA to stop using TWO (2) operators In NYC they now just watch the trains self-drive(!)
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Alex Armlovich
@aarmlovi
I spoke to an L train operator who told me he picks shifts on the A train just to stay sane On the automated lines your only job is to press a DMS button every few mins proving you're awake & watching it drive itself It's profoundly dehumanizing & expensive featherbedding
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Gok
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European unions are quasi-government labor regulators, whereas US unions are little cartels that solely aid their members to the detriment of the rest of society.
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Chris Croy
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Americans choose more money and more hours almost every time, so our unions optimize for lots of overtime scams. A lot of recent labor disputes (e.g. railroad) boil down to the new generation of union workers not wanting to work the 60 hours weeks that their forebears did.
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🐢🐢🐢 HarlemJ11@bsky.social
@HarlemJ11
Well this is 100% true Was in Paris for the Olympics two weeks and wow, did NYC pick wrong with not fully automating their trains like Paris Trains ran ever three minutes in the stations with no humans driving them at all
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Andrea Matranga 🇺🇦🌻
@andreamatranga
My theory is that EU unions are typically part of some large union confederation with a sense of class solidarity. So if say the elevator operator union wanted to be paid $250k, the other trades would cut them back to size because that would mean they would get less work.
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Thijs Niks
@thijsniks
I always understood that the Paris union was ok with automation because the implementation is so slow (but consistent) that all job losses are from natural attrition
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Brandon Magner
@BrandonMagner
Not much of a puzzle imo. Enterprise model of collective bargaining and thin social safety net in U.S. generally incentivizes unions to maximize contractual gains with only their members in mind, both in economics and job preservation.
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Matt Robare
@MattRobare
apart from obvious us-europe differences, it seems to me that us unions and employers have a more antagonistic relationship. I know Germany has co-determination, while us unions live in a horror of "privatization".
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LKLKLK
@Ewk_Altadena
We need to find a way to empower unions that does NOT involve being against progress and automation. Unions often have a bad rep and they did kinda earn that.
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generic_name
@ls_fin
Unlike many US public transit systems, the Paris Metro doesn't have one dominant union representing all workers.
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Basel Musharbash
@musharbash_b
Were automation-fueled wage hikes offered in NYC? Is there any guarantee that if it were accepted, it would be honored over the long-term? In any event, remind me again why we actually need self-driving trains?
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Michael Domps
@michaeldomps
Is this because workers in Paris have secure employment and aren’t worried about losing income While US workers do not feel like they have secure employment and are worried about losing income
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I have never understood "let's protect our jobs". The goal should be "let's protect our ability to support ourselves" which does NOT have to come from protected jobs. Surely the end game dream is robots take ALL the jobs.
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@diacriticaz.bsky.social
@Diacritic
Was there an offer on the table to give the NYC workers automation-fueled wage hikes? There was not. The problem is that the only leverage we allow these unions in the US is to hold onto their jobs.
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Hadrio
@Hadrio_Official
I think there’s just really high variability between unions even within countries. In the US we only hear about the worst ones because our unions are enemy #1 here (and as a result popularizes bad practices). Elsewhere they’re more normalized
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David R Campbell
@DavidRCampbell6
Everyone loves train conductors. They let you run to the train before the door closes. They give travel advice, call the cops if there is trouble and support whole extended families.
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Jake Huneycutt
@jakehuneycutt
The problem in the US is that you need Republicans to break up the public sector unions, but Democrats to invest in the automation.
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herfman
@herfman185179
In America there’s no concept of automation meaning the same pay and less work. It’s just used to screw workers. That’s why
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Tommy Gunn
@TommyGu62378705
Dr Nick Riviera notices the difference and completely confuses the problem. In Paris, management and unions are partners. In America dopes spend all their time destroying unions. The labor movement is on life support in the US. Not in France. Get it!
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