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Look, I have no certainly on long-term effect. But, this is what they refer to as "snow".
Incredible that a cheap tax will change behavior so dramatically
This is probably an extreme day due to the snow and the shock of the new policy. It'll be interesting to see how much this persists.
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How is making it unaffordable so people don't travel, a winning policy?
Roads are there so people can use them.
I’m going to hold off until more time has passed
I think it will have some effect but I don’t think $9 is enough to achieve this dramatic of a change
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Most car commuters in NYC come from New Jersey because the public transit from there is worse; and NJ is currently having a snowstorm. So today is going to be pretty unrepresentative
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A lot of people in Mercer and Monmouth county not commuting today due to snow days called by schools. We have been tracking drive times for almost a year and today was exceptional but I don't think it's just the congestion pricing.
You just posted the benefit w/o trying to measure any of the costs.
It appears people paid $9 to save roughly 10 min, plus some extra savings on city streets.
But other people (numbers unknown) suffered the bus or train. And others didn't come in. All costs.
I think there are three concrete goals:
1. Reduce congestion & travel time for drivers
2. Reduce noise & pollution for manhattan residents
3. Improve transit quality through increased funding
#1 & #2 seem promising, #3 is yet to be seen. But positive overall.
Honestly, that's a smaller absolute time decrease than I expected. I'd like to see overall commute time numbers since I think most people would accept a 10-minute longer tunnel transit in return for $2300/yr. Especially if autonomous/semi-autonomous cars become common
The measures of congestion pricing will be a year from now
Eg what is occupancy rate & rent levels of commercial and residential properties in the zone
What is net impact on revenue (incl lost income tax from people who leave city) and how is it used
Etc
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If the goal is narrowly judged by congestion then perhaps it will be successful in that regard.
But if businesses in the congestion zone suffer and the MTA doesn’t materially improve then I don’t think the picture is as black and white.
Saving 10 min getting through the Holland Tunnel already makes this worth $9
“Winner” here is a subjective measure of the intended outcome.
NYC will probably use the money for unintended purposes resulting in this just being a tax on the poors who are the most affected.
If it increases cost but provides no benefit, who wins?
Let's give this a week but yeah congestion pricing people are celebrating early.
Imagine if we could apply variable tolls to every restricted access highway in the country.
Solves so many problems.
You have the long term stats for Stockholm? How did things develop over time?
It's snowing in NJ/NYC today. People might be staying home because of that. I'll need to see a few weeks of data before I'm convinced (but won't be at all surprised if it works)
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I don't think half a day of data is enough to conclude that a policy is a winner.
I’d be much more open to congestion pricing if the public transit in NYC wasn’t an active warzone
Find some data for travel times along the perimeter just outside of the toll zone. It always gets worse
I'm certain the law of unintended consequences will rear it's head. TBD what that will look like.
Commute time is only better for those who can afford it.
Everyone else can't afford it and now their commute is longer and on very unsafe trains.
This is most kindly due to the shock effect of the initial policy rollout. Those lines will definitely get tighter over time.
The fact that lefties are calling it "success" on a combined post-holiday and snow day Monday means it's probably not but they really want it to be.
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It’s like looking at gym memberships right after new years.
We’ll see who’s still showing up in February
My prediction is coming true.
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Second prediction: the goal of congestion charges will be retrospectively redefined as 'to make it easier for cars to drive into Manhattan.'
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We'll see how retail businesses and restaurants feel about this.
Yes, rich people will have less traffic to deal with.
Others, however, we're making money serving those visitors.
It will be a loser of a policy for the non-rich.
I agree fuck poor people, they should take the train instead of take up space on the road delaying people who actually matter
For Rich people.
Poor people have to suffer lose of their freedom of movement
No it's a very stupid policy. It proves that the government has failed to build adequate transportation infrastructure. The "solution" rewards the few who can afford to pay for it with shorter commutes and everyone else suffers more.
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Will we get a good picture of how much this change is caused by substitution (transit, walking) vs deadweight loss (simply not making a trip)?
Neither travel time nor throughput are great measures of consumer surplus - making them the central metric might be distorting things
Congestion pricing? More like the future's economic bloodletting. When the automated drones of Nova Aetas begin coordinating the urban traffic flows, we'll make London's congestion charge look like a quaint suggestion.
Obviously. But it often takes a huge amount of time to implement it because of all of the resistance against it.
With this example to cite it may get easier to get it passed 
Isn't parking in Manhattan like a trillion dollars a day? I don't see how making it a trillion and $9 really affects things this drastically.
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It would be even cooler if it was a dynamically updating system like uber with pricing based on demand — obviously the tech is not in place for that currently
You can’t compare averages to single piece of data, especially in January, after the holidays, while it’s snowing.
One snowy morning isn’t the sample size I’d be making any declarations about.It did snow today reducing traffic volume coming into the city from NJ FWIW.
what i love the most about this solution is that it would’ve been a solution ages ago if we allowed the free market to run our roads
Absolutely, screen out the riffraff so paying customers can get to work
Bit early doing victory laps on a snow day coinciding with 1st day of law. Also this seems to be NJ (wfh w snow) as the other trackers show no difference
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Better idea. Simply remove the tunnel and no one will get through! How is removing cars a winning policy? People are not coming because it's too crushing 
I assume congestion pricing will work well but how bad was the weather today?
How many people tried other forms of transportation and will decide it’s better to pay the $9 fee?
Give it a week or two before declaring victory.
Well, today it's snowing in NYC, you can't really tell if that's more of congestion pricing or snow factor
I predict you are right in the fullness of time, but I'd prefer a dataset where a quarter of the data isn't missing lol.
It’s still the FIRST DAY.
This would be like saying GoT is the best show ever made based on the first episode, without waiting to see the abysmally bad conclusion to the series.
At least give it a few months to shake out before you declare it a success.
Simping for an establishment that won’t use the increased revenue to improve MTA rider experience. It’s an interesting look 
Commute time on the participating roads probably isn't the best success metric. How was the commute time affected for the people who couldn't afford to use the road? Was it greater or less than what their road commute time would have been w/o the toll?
Governments using power to suppress commerce is totally great yeah. Absolutely no downsides.
Thrilled every time I cross 5 blocks from my apartment I’ll be charged. F u.
How can you be so correct so often, crossing the border of what is deemed left and right with such elegance?
Congestion pricing is the correct solution, in the world's city with the most extensive public transport system.
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It's crazy because waitlists and waiting lines are typical for socialism (be it CCCP or public housing), yet traffic waiting lines are so normal
Ok, that’s just ridiculous. One commute, the first one after the holidays, a Monday when most people don’t commute anyway, and many people are still away. Making assertions based on one data point is stupid. I hope this is sarcasm.
So after the holidays are done? Lol 
literally the single most traveled time of the year?
literally the single most traveled time of the year?
You’re assuming that people are coming into NYC by other means and not simply staying away, which could have a profound negative impact on the city. Before you get too far along in your celebration, do you have any evidence of that, or are you ignoring any economic consequences?
I don't really have a dog in the fight, but most of the soy urbanists advocating for it are so irritating I am compelled to criticise it. It probably a good thing, actually. Keep the poors underground.
There is a lot of throttled infrastructure that could benefit from congestion pricing policies. It would save billions very quickly.
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Jesus Christ Jacobin is fucking embarrassing.
This attitude of “so what if I was lying? It’s a lie that slanders the Bad Guys” is a fucking blight on the Left right now.
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The Manhattan Bridge motor vehicle lanes are EMPTY, while the subway and bike lanes have plenty of usage.
Congestion pricing works.
