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Matthew Yglesias
@mattyglesias
There’s no actual need to be contrarian about this, GDP per capita in Paris is substantially higher than in the Dallas suburbs — it’s the rest of France that’s poor.
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Luke Metro
@luke_metro
I'm not a GDP truther but I still feel like a high percentage of people would prefer a middle-class Parisian lifestyle to living in a Dallas suburb? x.com/TBNewsFr/statu…
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Randy Lazarus
@MarysRoommate
Also i learned on my first visit to paris last year that once you get out of the main city center it is surrounded by like 100% slums
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d man
@dayele
What’s the pay rate for comparable jobs in Dallas versus Paris? That’s a pretty straightforward way to gauge living standards. Look at roles like teachers, accountants, or nurses. Thanks to Dallas’s much lower housing costs per square foot, those higher wages can deliver a
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Paul Reynolds
@PaulReynoldsSD
Intra-le Périphérique Paris is heaven. And even the greater metro area is extremely impressive. But, yes, Paris dominates the country in a way that is difficult for someone from the U.S. to immediately comprehend (although people from Mexico and the U.K. would get it pretty
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Jacob Eliosoff
@JaEsf
I was just curious, I run lots of stuff by the ol' fact-checkers now Best I can make out they're pretty comparable
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James Coleman
@EnergyLawProf
Hmm unless you have specific suburbs in mind or intend to rely on measurement issues (eg including commuter output in the numerator but not commuters in the denominator) that seems unlikely
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Marcus
@Marcus53990619
A lot of these debates elide that fact! I adore Mexico City. The areas with heavy tourist foot traffic are nicer than most Acela Corridor downtowns. And the middle class suburbs aren't bad either. But the magic of the US is the wealth of the Des Moines and Albuquerque suburbs!
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MarsyasNYC
@marsyasnyc
Paris is what the US would get if New York, DC, and LA were all the same city, and there were explicit federal policies in place to keep most culture and finance centered in the capital.
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Jerry T
@JerryTurin
Metro Dallas has higher GDP per capita than Metro Paris. Metro Dallas has lower cost of living. Metro Dallas is economically stronger per capita.
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Aaron Kinney
@aaron_kinney
"Substantially higher" Meh. Paris median household income is 82K USD while for Dallas it's 76K USD. I'd say more like it's a little bit higher for Paris. What I'd call "substantially higher" is Texas vs France: 79K USD for TX, but only 36K USD for France.
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Clinton J. Coleman
@CondorTX
Also incomes on PPP basis higher in Dallas suburbs than in Paris (I would expect), so people living in Dallas can visit Paris more often than a typical Parisian can visit the US.
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Icysloth912
@icysloth912
Dallas proper is richer gdp per capita than Paris proper. Dallas metro area is richer than Paris metro. Dallas suburbs are richer than Paris suburbs. The only way your math works is if you do Paris proper vs Dallas suburbs.
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James the red
@Jamesthere13861
Depend what’s meant by “middle class Parisian” means though. If that includes outside the core city, lots of that is relatively poor
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Fighting Idiocracy
@nonconformant1
NYC’s GDP per capita in the USA is substantially higher than in Dallas suburbs, it’s the rest of the USA that’s poor. Can replace NYC with any major city or any US city, for that matter. All I know is that some Americans are being radicalized against city dwellers. Why?
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Christopher Dodwell
@ChrisDodwell01
Just been in La Rochelle, a small French town (pop 75,000). Stunningly beautiful with cheap modern public transport, incredible food markets and a local government prepared to invest in the public realm.
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something something
@thevanosam
In Paris, the middle class generally earns between €25,000 and €40,000 net per year for a single person, or up to roughly €72,000 after taxes for higher-tier middle-income households. Dallas-Fort Worth suburbs are highly variable, often exceeding national averages due to
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Socks
@SockJunior
I asked Claude, and it seems like the two are actually pretty close, and it's dependent on what you classify as Paris, and what you classify as the Dallas suburbs.
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Fighting Idiocracy
@nonconformant1
If she is telling us the truth, you’d think he could, I don’t know, turn on a camera on any smartphone and let us know he and his wife are fine and capable of looting Kentucky like they’ve always done?
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