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Corey Quinn
@QuinnyPig
Okay. Read the lawsuit. The named dude (Liu) is gonna get nailed to the wall; they’ve got him dead to rights. The accusations against OpenAI itself are a hell of a lot more tenuous.
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Mark Gurman
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BREAKING: Apple is suing OpenAI, accusing it and its hardware chief of a coordinating trade secret theft campaign to help build its upcoming suite of AI devices.
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Corey Quinn
@QuinnyPig
“What a crap company with bad ethics” is quite the statement from Apple though, given the current native first party integration to iOS. My dude, you partnered with them.
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Corey Quinn
@QuinnyPig
The dude though, yikes. Retained access to Apple systems post departure (great job Apple Corp Infosec; take a bow!), told other Apple folks to bring stuff with them. But no evidence yet that OpenAI as an entity sanctioned this.
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Corey Quinn
@QuinnyPig
Apple corpsec though: * A departing employee allegedly kept an Apple-issued laptop * His access was apparently not revoked * He could still reach shared storage through an authentication flaw * He could use a current employee’s device. * They didn’t detect this for WEEKS 🤡🤡🤡
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Corey Quinn
@QuinnyPig
Yeah, that's the strongest evidence of organized solicitation and a corrupt process since he's an exec. So much is gonna depend on what comes out in discovery.
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Dylan Brophy
@NuclearManD
ClosedAI can't be trusted with anything either way. Liu was very foolish to dunk himself in gasoline just to advance ClosedAI's corporate slop. They would throw him out of a building the moment it was expedient. It's best to just not be involved and maybe use local AI.
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Rian Stockbower
@rianjs
Imagine being VP of Design at Apple and then thinking “I should buy a boat” and then going and doing this. Incredible. My guy could have touched grass for the rest of his life instead.
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Wagie Capital
@WagieCapital
Amazing that these guys work at the most elite tech firms but are apparently oblivious to how easily all their activity is monitored
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SmilinJim
@JamesWitmer6
Heads should roll at Apple. How do you let this happen? Is it really that sensitive if you don’t restrict access after leaving?
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JamesAK47 on bluesky 🦋
@jamesak47
I suspect it's going to be rather easy to get all the ex-Apple employees to roll over on everyone who got them involved in any criminal endeavours or corporate espionage in exchange for lessened charges and/or a promise from Apple not to sue them.
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Link01
@Link01T
Apple is gonna put Liu under the jail unless he sings like a bird and implicates enough top people at OpenAI
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Indy Singh
@indy_singh_uk
I mean I have to ask why? Did OAI offer a shit load more money? Fancy title? What's the motivating factor here? Greed? Revenge?
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Duane - 🧙‍♂️🖖 - keybase.io/dfk
@honestduane
This honestly looks to me like a classic cats paw situation. Yeah the guy that did. It is gonna get in a lot of trouble and everyone involved knew that in advance. They just didn’t tell him. Even working cyber security gigs I always get legals sign off upfront before work starts.
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Pawzard
@pawzzard
curious what theory of liability actually sticks to the org vs an individual employee going rogue that gap is usually where these cases quietly die
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Makaroni
@SlopToSignal
tenuous now but discovery changes everything what openai knew and when is a different document than what they admit publicly
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Yan
@yzhang390
The dmg goes farther than winning or losing also there will be more evidence with discovery. Think emails text messages etc from OpenAI side that apple had zero access to so far
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