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Accumulating data on how students are doing, demanding rigorous studies to prove educational fads are actually worth anything (in a program begun by George W. Bush), these are good. Destroying them is awful.
Here’s the essay. h/t to
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It's only called Cultural Revolution if scholars are murdered or sent to Manchuria to drive a tractor, otherwise it's just sparkling elections have consequences.
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Accumulating data on how students are doing, demanding rigorous studies to prove educational fads are actually worth anything (in a program begun by George W. Bush), these are good. Destroying them is awful.
Here’s the essay. h/t to @tracewoodgrains x.com/tracewoodgrain…
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Deep down, lots of people want to be the Red Guard. And in the Cultural Revolution there were purges and counter purges. Everyone had fun!
I don’t disagree, but I’m not sure our system allows anyone to take a lot of time.
It's Zero Based Budgeting on a Federal Scale, and its probably the only time we will ever see such a drastic reset of spending.
It's way too soon to tell if it will be net positive or not, but it's certainly novel.
They're trying to cancel these things not for no reason.
They're trying to cancel them because:
a) If there isn't hard data, nobody can challenge them when they make it up.
b) They really prefer "vibes" based management.
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When people say they want government to be run as if by CEOs, this is one of the processes they're referring to - analagous actions wouldn't be that unusual in a large corporation.
I am against any illegal attempts to eliminate waste, but if it's done constitutionally it's good. Afuera. Comparing it to Cultural Revolution is hyperbole, and that's not hyperbolic enough of me to say.
“It’s a tamer cultural revolution”
Cuting government spending is kind of the opposite of what Mao was doing during the cultural revolution.
I agree with you on this.
I wish the Dem leaders were giving some other option rather than just Elon/DOGE bad.
For instance, offer a team of their own to audit and cut spending. This isn't what they want. It always seem just spend more, spend more and spend more.
I suspect that DOGE will cancel and not reinstate any extra curricular activities that have failed to provide measurable improvements in education. For decades, education outcomes have gotten worse, it's time to try something new.
I don't want these studies to stop, but in my mind, if no one will stand up and fund them, they are already dead. They shuffle on with zombie federal money, but it was inevitable that the money would dry up. Where are the billionaires and foundations keeping this stuff running?
All these educational studies and no one has seemed to be able to figure out how teach the kids to read. Or do math. It’s an odd trend. We spend umpteenth millions of dollars on these things and results seem to do the inverse. Something stinks.
This is really sad. I had high hopes for DOGE. Long run this will just cost more money rebuilding things that are broken.
What DOGE has found is trillions of $ in waste... per year. We have to assume every program is default bad until proven otherwise. Program funding can be turned back on.
AI without responsibility? That’s just chaos on autopilot. 
It’s time to move from ‘what’s possible’ to ‘what’s ethical.’ Purpose-driven businesses will always cross the finish line first. 
Tech with a conscience = sustainable growth.
It’s time to move from ‘what’s possible’ to ‘what’s ethical.’ Purpose-driven businesses will always cross the finish line first. Tech with a conscience = sustainable growth.
In medicine, you shouldn't perform a diagnostic if it's not going to alter treatment - and especially if it's likely to result in worse treatment. Early breast cancer screening was one of those things - it makes sense theoretically, but empirically the data said that it increased
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It's smart. Look at our debt. Look at our spending. Look at the massive fraud and waste and abuse. If they cut something truly worthy, we can add it back later.
Given the amount of bloat and waste that’s accumulated over decades and whose putative benefits are taken for granted, I think erring on the side of generous cutting makes more sense. If axing a program has unwanted effects, that proves its value and it can be restored.
As others have pointed out, the numbers do not suggest that DoE's mandate has led to positive educational outcomes. One could argue, I suppose, that things would be even worse without them. I'm not ready to go there, but I do think they have been a distraction.
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With a government that has done so many questionable things, it’s not surprising that one day this would happen. I’m not surprised. Like all AI, the pictures it creates often have extra fingers and arms. The government is good at extremes. Doing nothing or over correcting.
Counterrevolutions are messy. If you have figured it out yet, this is about dismantling the New Deals economics policies and in particular the Administrative State. It's not about reform. It's vital to demoralize and neuter the Deep State to start with.
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Let's see how this is working out:
1. High School - teaches students to reject all that they've learned and accept what the state tells them
2. Early Childhood - teaches Kindergarten through Middle school that they can change their gender and mutilate their bodies
3. Trends in
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It’s a classic Brett Weinstein - whale-fish - thing
It’s dumb b/c we can imagine a more rational approach. But if you really get organizational dynamics and state resistance, then the baby out with the bath water is the only approach that doesn’t die from resistance
No, what’s DUMB is defending anything the government has been entrenched in for the last 50+ years. It’s all broken, our education system first and foremost, but since people are setting ablaze to the system you don’t like, it’s all bad - now all of a sudden the system was good
how much of it will be added back later? it is okay to default to halting funding and then be cautious in what gets added back
Yes, it’s disheartening seeing self-described conservatives setting Chesterton’s fence ablaze.
For those who want "revolution", this is what it looks like: destroy first, ask questions later.
The Berlin Wall fell for a reason. It would be foolish to consider trying to rebuild it - and all it represents - today.
From my libertarian perspective, it's irrelevant whether something works or not. If it is unconstitutional per the original understanding of that document, delete it.
And a large majority of the federal government is plainly unconstitutional.
This is Elon's MO: raze it down to the barest skeleton, then add back what is evidently needed, but from different matter.
Every sclerotic bureaucracy needs to be pruned back hard to allow for new growth, uninpeded by old dead branches.
How else can you make these orgs into
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"Social" Science created in the last 10 years has been so polluted with ridiculous nonsense claims of value are suspicious and should require great skepticism.
Desperate times call for desperate measure. Even with all of this cutting, the economy isn’t magically saved, but it has a chance. Without it is completely doomed.
equating cutting spending someone happens to like and the death of millions of people is crazy, (tamer) or not. Education is obviously important, but "early childhood longitudinal study of kindergarten" sounds like a waste of time and resources. Teach them phonics and numbers.
As someone whose business is the institutional memory of critical services, I can say that you cannot just indiscriminately cull people. A lot of "the way things work" inheres only in staff brains. Responsible staff want to hand things over systematically to avoid serious harm.
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SwampEscapee
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Collecting these statistics has been a “self own” since they’ve documented the decline in public education under DOE’s stewardship.
When the overriding philosophy is "government is always the problem" then they see no repercussions from burning it all down.
What's funny is that Trump doesn't really have this philosophy, because for the most part, he has no overriding philosophy.
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I got cultural revolution vibes as well. Elon purposefully chose young guys because they lacked wisdom.
first of all, good to draw attention to these issues
Secondly, given the exceptional team of super-geniuses, I'd imagine they FULLY understand "trends in international math"
They looked at the content and deemed it inadequate
That's their job, they're not the ones who will rebudget and rebalance all the programs, they're the auditors. Those guys will come in when the auditing's done.
Judge them by their fruits.
The war in Ukraine killed millions, orchestrated by the deep state.
Not acting with enought force has consequences too.
You are most welcome to create a fund to maintain those studies while the government sort itself.
Yep it's awesome. Federal spending is so out of control we're skipping past scalpel time and going right to the chainsaw.
Alternate view - democrat money laundering and corruption is the worst the world has ever seen, to the point of trillions lost.
The government must be put on a short leash, and every last penny accounted for, because the bureaucrats have rampaged through our nation for far too
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Sometimes it is cheaper and more efficient to bulldoze a building down and rebuild from scratch rather than try to piecemeal repair numerous sections in need of repair.
We've been "studying" the problem for 30 years. We KNOW the problem: Our kids aren't learning.
Time to end the studies and do something about it.
About time. They need to cut 2.5T but they are only cutting 1T. Damn moderates.
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Why is this surprising? This is exactly what he did at Twitter. "Move fast and break stuff" is their motto.
This is literally a reboot of the Federal Government.
There is a reason most revolutions end in tears, in contrast to gradual reforms. Also, most revolutions are led by power-hungry fanatics, which are the worst people to govern.
You don't get it. The only way you can cut is with a fast blunt implement. The reason the government only ever grows like a cancer is the exact mindset you represent.
If you require a scalpel to be operated by a committee of thousands, not a single cut will be made.
hmm. public schools are failing, with proficiency at all time low. are the studies useless or are the studies ignored?
Have any of those studies actually help education in America though? The standard seems to be falling.
eh, doubt these studies have actually impacted worthwhile change, it makes for nice graphs and stuff. All western countries have pretty much the same boring ass school system since forever. Just inconsequential stuff imo
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No you just wanna fund stuff into perpetuity, why not offer that funding they have had from the 1980s and make it competitive, best ideas get the funding, instead of funding everything
Sometimes the farmer has to till the field so new crops can grow even though there may still be some crops to harvest
I agree that they are not taking the time, but that appears impossible when those responsible for the bloated salaries and rampant waste want to deny and delay this reckoning. Bureaucrats are exceptionally good at it.
They’re destroying the NIH which powers American dominance in biomedical research, for example.
It's not dumb if your goal is to turn the government into Elon's space program. He wants to get to Mars and he ain't getting any younger!
These agencies are so corrupted they need to be burned down and rebuilt from the ground up.
The billionaire ruling class made it known they don’t want Americans knowing things
the termites are in the entire structure of the house
better result if you just tear it down
You know what’s dumb spending trillions that the next 6 generations will have to pay for.
It comes down to these simple facts:
1) We voted for this.
2) We won.
3) Elections have consequences.
If they truly have merit, they will be turned back on.
This is the way.
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its great
exactly what is needed
once its done and we're back on track
we'll even let you pretend you weren't against it
because its gonna work great
and you'll either be unable to accept it due to cognitive dissonance, or lie about it and say you've always accepted it
its fine,
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Thank God, it's all too convoluted and criminally fked up, burn the whole thing down. They're running from DC faster than ever imagined, swamp self draining, love it, need more.
Can’t happen fast enough. The corruption and fraud is beyond belief.
You're history, boomer. We will flush your generation and your wacko ideas into the sewer of history where they belong. Enjoy seeing everything you love burn.
You don't know what you're talking about.
And this is coming from PhD level expertise from inside the machine.
And our income is being negatively affected, but that's a good thing.
When an institution is so infested with lazy corrupt parasites it is often more efficient to burn the whole thing down and build something new. This is the correct decision, the pain from the loss of the old will be temporary and the beauty of the new will be long lasting.