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Lots of conflating wholesale bulk water storage versus downstream retail distribution water. 3- 1 million Gal tanks went dry in Palisades. My bet is if they were 2 Mil Gal Tanks, there would not be a huge change in fire outcome.
Wind leads the outcome.
This is actually a fair distinction but it’s not what people are suggesting and also those hydrants only would have mattered at the margins anyway
No. This tweet is about people who think an overall lack of supply caused the hydrant issues
Any time theres a fire in california absolute retards come out with the most moronic shit imaginable. Non Californians have such a bizarre resentful view of this state
So are you saying there is nothing that could have been done better to help prevent/lessen the horror of these fires?
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They could not be prevented. You cannot prevent fire in Southern California. Preventing fire is what caused these fires to be worse than they might have been.
James Pogue, you fucking idiot. Here's my fucking take on your bullshit you're pushing:
It's fucking mind-blowing how some dumbasses like you can ignore the real, systemic fuck-ups that have made California's wildfire crisis a goddamn nightmare.
You're saying water capacity
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It is frustration so in California we call reservoirs the water tank we build on hills some were open air but with water regs then must be coved or in a Tank. They are load managed to keep them with demand but not over flowing. The argument is improper load management.
As I hav mentioned before I think this is an important distinction but this is addressed to people who don’t understand this finer point
We’re talking about reservoirs here moron. Tanks that need to be filled up manually.
Which wasn’t done.
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In 2014, Californians overwhelmingly voted to spend billions on water storage and reservoirs.
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Now no water is coming out of the fire hydrants.
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As far as I know only one of the prop 1 projects does what you’re describing and it’s up in Colusa county
They have a tank storage capacity problem though
Agreed people have incorrectly said it’s a reservoir problem
The state does have a reservoir problem, but it’s not related to firefighting
It is legit laughing how many people are going to bat to defend how California is managed. What will it take for anyone to just admit it is poorly managed? I thought this would be enough ....
California has needed *more* reclamation, for years. And better delivery to urban areas that need it. There have been no new dams in decades. Extant dams being torn down! Refusal to use well-demonstrated desalinization technology already employed in the Middle East.
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Good point. Many people don’t understand what firefighters are up against during the most extreme wind driven fires, especially once they start jumping from home to home. To think the outcome would have been significantly different if only there was another reservoir built or
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They've been practically overflowing for like 2 years now. Folks do not get it.
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mismanagement of epic proportions is the reason for fires
there was water and there was money, where did it go?
I think it was less the memes and more the water not coming out of the fire hydrants.
So then why are the hydrants out of water? Or is that fake news too?
The hydrants ran out of water. Watch the LADWP press conference.
absolutely true - decades of declining water supplies has led to dramatically increased water diversions in all of the major tributaries, which leads to dryer overall conditions and allows fires to enter regions that would normally be naturally lush or irrigated.
We just went through the reservoir replenishment science TwiX but two winters ago when we got all that rain.
I work in the water industry and have been to just about every water treatment plant in the state. People are confusing a bunch of aspects. The reservoirs are more full then they have been in the last 10 years, they were refilled naturally by rain from el Niño. These communities
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It's crazy how the news shows people using garden hoses with great water pressure and the firemen have to use the homeowners garden hose to fill up their truck, yet the hydrants, on the same system have no pressure.
Does not really matter how much water is available elsewhere if it is not available where/when needed. Clearly the infrastructure was not sufficient for the demand.
I feel this cropped image has some key info missing 
also the key city of LA is not shown
also the key city of LA is not shown
Problem actually is they don't have the water where they need it. And can't seem to get it there.
If the water in the tanks and reservoirs directly above Palisades weren't large enough or couldn't be replenished fast enough, I'd say that's a water capacity and supply problem? What would you like to bet someone had warned about this being an issue long ago?
seems legit, the pumping capacity to get water into the local water tanks was too low.
Super useful chart with no heading, no legend, nothing… just leave it up to the reader to interpret what you’re saying… that’s always a good idea.
It has nothing to do with water shortage .. there is no water shortage .. it has to do with human shortage. Not enough fire fighters and fire fighting tech
Your percentages don't mean a thing. No new reservoirs have been built in the past 40 years despite bonds which were specifically passed to do this.
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What does this picture show us? So much misleading and fabricated information going around
They believe what they want to believe. Truth is not something many Americans care about anymore. The only version of an event and the circumstances surrounding it that matter to many is whether it is the version the right tells or the one the left tells. The truth is now
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They are not containing these fires bruh, doesn’t matter how many graphs you post. They are literally cooked.
People have such weirdly simplistic models for how things work in the real world.
They think hydrants running dry must mean that the reservoirs are empty. Then you have dishonest people like Elon Musk saying it’s because we let rainwater go out to sea because we wanted to save
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Your picture excludes the legend. Most reservoirs are barely above the historical average, and it has been a dry month so far. The problem is that when CA gets rain, it gets diverted to the ocean rather than filled. There has been no new infrastructure in 30 years.
Nice screenshot but why not post where it’s from so people can verify themselves?
This isn’t the full chart. If you look at Folsom on your cropped map you’ll see it’s well under average. This is the case with most lakes in California. That is because the northern lakes feed the southern lakes. Southern lakes are high because they “steal” water from the north.
The problem isn’t water storage. It’s access to obtain water to fight FIRE!!!!
There are reports of hydrants running out of water. Perhaps it’s not the supply has much as the distribution.
One family controls all water in California, The Resnick Family owners of the "Wonderful Company." They made a scheme in the 90's to capture and control all water in the state for the benefit of their farmland.
Water delivery system is the issue. There were warnings days before this disaster and still the delivery system totally inadequate. What a shame
It made sense at the time considering the pumps weren’t able to shoot out any water.
Whether it was a pressure issue or water issue they were unprepared and people lost everything as a result. Lessons need to be learned and people need to be fired after it’s contained.
Pogue believes that there is no way to protect homes from wildfires, yet they’re built anyway.
He also believes that reservoirs and infrastructure that were built to supply water for California’s population 50 years ago is sufficient for the current population.
His post is a
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Thank you, I've been arguing this for 2 days with people but - ignorance reigns supreme.
So break it down for us Watson why the fire hydrants don’t have water?
Straw man arguments won't work to gaslight people.
The fire hydrants went dry because of INCOMPETENCE at many levels.
James wants you to ignore the obvious: the government officials charged with the immense responsibility of being prepared, FAILED the people.
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It is amazing how little you understand about this topic. That is not how it works.
can you post the memes? all i see are the ones about hydrants not having watet