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TracingWoodgrains
@tracewoodgrains
The emergence of the tech right is some of the purest friend-enemy politics out there. They saw progressives treating them as enemies, so they obliged.
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Luke Metro - e/🏈
@luke_metro
For the millionth time “liberal journalists were too mean to billionaires” is probably one of the most important motivations for the Tech Right. The usual billionaires want tax cuts motivation is convenient but fundamentally wrong x.com/teddyschleifer…
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TracingWoodgrains
@tracewoodgrains
thanks, yes, this is a good object demonstration of the friend-enemy sentiment if you want to create enemies, you can, and destructive leftists hoping to wrench the Democratic Party towards them successfully defined most of America as enemies and made sure people felt it
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Orman
@LizardOrman
Except the cartoon isn't about just passively or reluctantly agreeing with the "enemy", but about throwing yourself into enthusiastic support even as you say the other side made you do it
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TracingWoodgrains
@tracewoodgrains
once friend-enemy has crystallized, people start picking up a lot more opinions of their crowd. that sort of leftist has very successfully clarified that they hate me - my job is to ensure they are treated as marginal by Dems so I can keep voting for Dems.
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Orman
@LizardOrman
I don't disagree that's what happens in practice, but the "radicalisation" isn't the fault of the original criticism. People are responsible for the ideas they take on board
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TracingWoodgrains
@tracewoodgrains
I absolutely agree that people are responsible for the ideas they take on board, and I hold all groups to that standard. leftists have a ton of ugly ideas they need to jettison, as does the MAGA right. but if you put people into the "enemy" category, they will accept.
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Scynix
@Scynix
I’ve been called a “demonrat” and the enemy of “true Americans” for decades so this entire conversation seems like an excuse to attack ThE lEfT rather than a genuine concern about a real problem, look how willing you are to ignore facts because of your own conservative biases
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TracingWoodgrains
@tracewoodgrains
I'm a centrist who voted Kamala as the lesser of two evils and watched people to my left make the Dem brand so toxic as to lose the popular vote as they tried - as above - to frame even the center as suspicious and Bad. I'm not interested in humoring that.
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Scynix
@Scynix
Calling yourself a centrist doesn’t make you one, your political views are right wing and your endless attempts to punch left demonstrate it
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Scynix
@Scynix
You let your biases shape your reality A majority of the country prefers "left wing" policies, they've just been so propagandized by people like you they don't know up from down anymore and it's far easier to lash out at fabricated enemies
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TracingWoodgrains
@tracewoodgrains
80% of people are 80% on board with 80% of political parties. people want big government and small taxes, they want identitarianism for them and not for other groups, and these cross-preferences come out in actual elections. step outside issue polling from progressive orgs.
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Scynix
@Scynix
You just implied Fox News used a progressive org to lie about public interest but other people are captured by narratives huh
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TracingWoodgrains
@tracewoodgrains
oh, nah, I just now noticed you stuck actual polls in there. my eyes kinda glaze over w/ screenshots of Fox I suggest following
@davidshor
if you want to get a sense of how issue preferences work out in practice and why things that are popular in isolation don't really work
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David Shor
@davidshor
It's deeper than that - nearly all issue polling you see out there is explicitly funded to be propaganda by issue advocacy groups to convince policy makers to pass progressive policies.
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David Shor
@davidshor
The issue is something called "survey aquiescence bias" where if you ask a yes/no question in a survey, the yes option will be dramatically inflated. This is why both conservative and liberal ballot measures dramatically underperform their polling.
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Chris Warshaw
@cwarshaw
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But both popular liberal and conservative policies tend to underperform at the ballot box. The reason appears to be that voters systematically prefer the "no" option on ballot initiatives. This status-quo bias tends to make most initiatives much closer than they look in polls.
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David Shor
@davidshor
If instead you ask survey takers to choose between discrete options like "Do you trust Democrats or Republicans more", then you get a clearer picture that both parties have an ~equal mix of popular and unpopular parts of their agenda.
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David Shor
@davidshor
Replying to @davidshor and @upine
If you think that the public really agrees with Democrats on everything then you'd think the only reason we ever lose elections is because of feckless corrupt Democrats and the MSM. But actually the public agrees with Republicans on a bunch of things!
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Dr Sharon Krossa 🪷 (the real kind—PhD!)
@skrossa
I’ll note that ballot measure “no” preference may be influenced by fact that petition initiated (vs legislature initiated) ballot measures tend to contain fatal flaws that they wouldn’t if they had gone through the normal legislative process, &/or are too complex in details…+
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Ian Larkin
@ianlarkin
This is why social scientists always reverse frame survey questions for half the sample. Hard to do when polling propositions!
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