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If you dive into the data it's like Seattle, LA, and SF have prices like the rest of the Anglosphere, then NYC has prices 5x more than that.
Regulation and lawsuits. I watched a version of this in Pasco County Florida. Sierra Club delayed building of a shopping center for years. Lawsuit after lawsuit. The developer answered everything did all the remediadiation necessary and then bingo there would be another lawsuit.
Just a product of repetition. Spain is cheap because they build a lot of subway. I’d imagine if you compared the cost of building a 5-deck highway interchange in Houston vs Paris, you’d see this same thing flipped around.
So I interviewed for a job that made me do a case study on this, it's "consulting" costs, that's pretty much what it boils down to, lots of costs on thinking about doing things rather than just getting engineers and scientists to do what is needed
Could this partly be because of a selection bias? Right now the only *underground* *metro* construction in the US is in NYC or LA. Less informed on other countries, but I would assume labor and other costs are much higher than smaller, foreign cities building new subways
Read a great article on this (can't find link) that showed that it wasn't unions or corruption to blame. It's all the litigation/process around permitting and environmental laws. It's just too damn easy to stall projects here and time = money.
It's all the money we spend on "consultants" - Unnecessary workers/companies with political connections that get contracts to do nothing.
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Going down to Canada levels alone would double our capacity to build transit We need dedicated funding to build in-house capacity, NJTransit had it until Christie gutted it and Murphy pretty much gave up on it
NYT I believe actually did a really good story on this a few years ago. Basically our process is just insane & bloated at all levels. Stations too big, using dumb outdated/expensive systems, and crazy union mandated staffing levels. NYC crews have a FT elevator operator!
I had read that this cost was because Union stranglehold on tunnel jobs keeps wages absolutely astronomical but looked it up, and it’s only like $33/hr. Is this cost ALL admin permitting and planning??
“we’ll have to have some sort of Universal Basic Income (UBI)” Elon Musk But who is going to pay? We believe our data! HUDI = Human Data Income We are building a Universal Basic Income based on our data. Our data is our asset, the new oil, but we have no transparency nor
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I'm wondering why Spain is so cheap. I'd read that London was a pioneer in tunneling because the clay there happened to be easy to work with.
Wow how is it even so much worse than canada? I thought the whole anglosphere was similarly bloated and incompetent when it comes to infra construction.
If politicians & activists are at all serious about promoting public infrastructure, subways, rail, etc... then feasibility & scale ---> reducing costs & efficiency should always be a major priority.
I was in Rome earlier this year. The subway line that I saw under construction near the coliseum in 2016 was still under construction in May. I really question these numbers.
This number for the USA is likely skewed because of NYC’s 2nd Ave subway and 7 line extension. There’s not a whole lot of subways being built elsewhere in the states.
Meanwhile France built an entire new subway line around the entire perimeter of Paris, a HUGE city, for less than we just spend fixing 75 between flint & Detroit
It'd be interesting to look at the cost per mile vs how many miles were tunnelled, considering the obvious economies of scale. E.g. presumably that would explain why Spain is so cheap.
Our state, local, and federal governments love setting our money on fire. Why do you think everyone is tired of giving them more? This is not exclusive to subways.
Prepare for the libertarian copium of "it is because of regulation". Wait those other countries are more regulated? Geez maybe those carte-blanche contracts were not such a good idea....
We don't have a functioning free market with competition in public sector infrastructure. This is a consequence of Republican leadership failing to take action against monopilies.
What I don’t see anyone in these replies saying is that it has to do with everything in America being a process. In particular, allowing a private right to action for just about everything: increases litigation and drives up costs.
I choose to believe this caused by American rocks being bigger and denser and tougher than rocks in all other countries and not because of crippling institutional failures.
Everything about public transit is out of this world. Costs are always multiples of the price that they're sold at originally, construction time multiples of original plan, subsidization is eternal, not for a short time, ridership never comes up to selling projections, etc.
Going to have significantly different prices depending on location in the u.s... like Houston Texas would be a hundred times more expensive because it will flood 43 times a year.
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