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I’ve been watching videos of ravens speaking for like half an hour now. I’ve never heard this used as a way of debunking ghost stories in the woods but this is way better than standard skeptic material
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David Watson 🥑
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Your petrified homie: a raven spoke to me 😳 The virgin Humean: ah, but what is more likely? that something which violates all our background knowledge truly occurred, or that you were in error or simply telling a lie?
If someone heard “hello” or any of the full sentences as clearly as I heard in these videos, audio pareidolia would seem like a pretty poor explanation. It’s the kind of thing that would convince a skeptic but not anyone who’d actually had the experience.
I will never forget, during the Covid lockdown in Madrid, hearing the neighborhood magpies (a species from the corvid family) imitate children laughing & babies crying, outside the window of our bedroom. Also the sound of playground swings.
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I also wouldn’t discount the innate corvid desire to play pranks, if a raven saw that a person freaked out if it said something it would absolutely just add it into the repetoire
i had a conversation with a hidden raven this summer while hiking in scotland. it was concealed in dense foliage and making funny noises which i was imitating and we were going back and forth for a while
I have a bird feeder by my back hedge and a couple of years ago I was startled to hear chickens in the croft behind the hedge. Sounded like 4 or 5 of them, took me an hour of searching before I realised it was Starlings mimicking my neighbours' chickens.
Struggling with the desire to have a corvid friend, and not wanting to disrupt their life in the wild. Just a pair of Torresian Crows to follow me around and whisper to me the goings on of Midgard 😅
but do they imitate people if they don't spend time with people? i've never lived somewhere ravens are common but i still get easily spooked in the woods, i think it's just spooky and our brains are primed to scare ourselves even more
I had one scream “Hey!” in a man’s voice multiple times at me late one night, some years ago. It was loud enough that it felt as if it was right next to me, it was only after the third “Hey!” that I was finally able to place where the voice was, and I saw a raven on a roof.
i’ve heard of people hearing eerie voices imitate them in the woods, like appalachia. I wonder how common corvids are there
Lyre birds and ravens (covids in general) are some of my favorite animals because they’re gorgeous, very smart, and can mimic so accurately they are indistinguishable from the real sounds.
people of yore were far more connected to the natural world i find it doubtful they weren’t aware that ravens can mimic human speech
Not just ravens, we are overrun with crows in my area and I've come to realize they have a whole collection of vocalizations which sound not-like-birds. The ones who hang out in my pine tree have some pretty good human vocalizations going on.
Owls can also make a lot of different noises. Just heard one meowing last weekend. Have been down a deep rabbit hole ever since
I think the point of a ghost is that it is seen, either directly or through the corner of the eye. Bumps in the night and 'voices in the woods' are not ghosts in most stories. Ravens don't account for that.
Do they learn to imitate in the wild? I've only seen it when they are trained for it.
I used to live in an area with fairly personable ravens and, if any one of them ever said anything to me in perfect English I would not have been surprised in the slightest.
now check out peacocks screaming lol i lived couple houses down from a person with one and everyday i would hear a woman screaming NOOOO! HELP!!! HELP ME! in the most blood curdling screams multiple times a day it was horrific lol
even butcherbirds can do this quite well, there used to be an australian magpie that lived on my street that perfectly imitated the sound of the dog next door's bark. very cute.