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Crémieux
@cremieuxrecueil
We have a vaccine that is almost 100% effective against the most common types of cervical cancer And it's completely safe And the British public is rejecting it
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Vaccination rates have fallen in all of Britain’s child-immunisation programmes. But the drop is sharpest for HPV, despite unequivocal scientific evidence of the jab’s effectiveness econ.st/46W0tN0 Illustration: Mariaelena Caputi/Shutterstock
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Crémieux
@cremieuxrecueil
It's actually a scientific miracle. And yet, the public is losing trust in it because they buy into nonsense about it.
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Crémieux
@cremieuxrecueil
Cervical cancer is being defeated thanks to two things: Pap smears and the Gardasil vaccine. HPV vaccination is so effective that many countries will have practically eliminated cervical cancer in the next two decades. Here's why🧵
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Crémieux
@cremieuxrecueil
In the only ethnic data we have, Pakistanis and Poles are the ones foregoing the vaccine, whereas Britons and Chinese are taking it. The decline in reported belief in the vaccine's safety follows a weird age pattern.
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Notloc
@USAbirdbrain
How is "completely safe" determined in this case? Because disagreement about that statement is where the whole discussion is. Safety by proclamation isn't science
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Crémieux
@cremieuxrecueil
Through randomized placebo-controlled trials.
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Crémieux
@cremieuxrecueil
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But, surely this isn't a free lunch, right? It pretty much is. Gardasil is highly specific in its effects, and they are entirely protective. The only issues are the same things you would get with any injection—nurse mishandles a needle, patient afraid of injections, etc.
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Wozzymodo
@WozzleBaby
Is it your contention there are no side effects ever? If not, what do you mean by completely safe? What threshold of side effect rate is completely safe?
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Crémieux
@cremieuxrecueil
I don't contend any unreasonable things, so no, you would never see me contending that "there are no side effects ever" and if you were charitable, you would assume that's not something I would ever say. I mean that it's as safe as placebo:
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Crémieux
@cremieuxrecueil
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But, surely this isn't a free lunch, right? It pretty much is. Gardasil is highly specific in its effects, and they are entirely protective. The only issues are the same things you would get with any injection—nurse mishandles a needle, patient afraid of injections, etc.
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medmalreviewer
@medmalreviewer
Not just cervical cancer, also a cause of a lot of head and neck cancer, presumably transmitted via oral sex. Can be pretty horrific way to go, especially when people suddenly die from the feared “carotid blowout syndrome” like this case 👇👇👇
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Rania Nasis, MD, MBA
@ranianasis
and not just for teen girls. also works even if one’s had hpv already - protects against reinfection & new stains, so women could still benefit in 30s and early 40s.
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Jamal Bougatime
@Jamal8969
I wonder what could have happened between 2019 and 2020 to undermine the public trust in biomedical science generally and vaccination particularly
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Noah Jakob Rettberg 🇩🇪🇪🇺
@NoahRettberg
A leading fear among antivaxxers is that vaccines will make them infertile. Since cervical cancer is a significant cause for infertitlity among women, I wonder how much higher the risk is of becoming infertile as a women from refusing to take the HPV vaccines compared to the
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@s_s_1_9
Can you elaborate on what you mean by the British public are rejecting it -- perhaps I'm out of the loop -- but when I was in school (UK), the HPV vaccine was offered to every girl (it was opt out) -- this was 14-15 years ago. Nurses would come round to schools to give us various
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Sean Kelly 🪓
@skenzyme
Mandating a vaccine that didn't work all that well was a mistake Blocking any compensation for the injured only compounded the error When I say the covid vaccine killed more people than it saved, it's because I'm factoring in the generational impact of the distrust it caused 😞
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Jerry T
@JerryTurin
Wrong. 1) this chart says vaccine taken in first year available. Not overall. "First year available" has dropped to prepuberty age and it's perceived to be an STD. 2) the drop also started during covid when they probably deferred it beyond year 1 because of shutdowns and
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Akxzl
@BasedAkxzl
I was white knighting gardasil before it was cool I was an early adopter for adults, missed recommended vaccination by age got into a Facebook argument with some nurses c2015 "Why on earth would you do that?" "I don't want to give random women cancer..?"
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John Boning Riker
@StressedRiker
1) I'm sure the vaccine is just as "save and effective" as every other big pharma product. 2) Medicine is progressing faster than today's teenage girls can develop the cancer to it. 3) A stable 20% of young women are virgins. They won't catch HPV in the first place.
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Robert Shibley
@rshibley
Given the lies around everything COVID related, why would you trust that whatever is in the vial is what you are being told it is? Are we supposed to believe they wouldn’t sneak some other stuff in there “for our own good?” How would I ever know unless it went wrong?
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Chris
@Questionsahora
“100% effective” “completely safe” “unequivocal scientific evidence” … and the fact that public health officials in my US state mandate it for 12 year old girls …. raises questions.
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PhilosophyDad
@PhilosophyDad1
What is the demographic breakdown of who is rejecting the vaccine? The downward trend seems to track with mass migration to Britain.
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Alex Cranberg
@acranberg
A more likely scenario is that parents are holding off on vaccinating their 12 year olds for a year or two if they feel that sexual activity is very unlikely and the vaccine might be better tolerated at 14. Note the data you show is based on "first year eligible"
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Pliny
@Plinythebelter
There are consequences for torching 100 years of vaccine public education to push the COVID prevention through lies and bad science.
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Lulu Addict
@LuluAddict
Waiting until you’re in your late teens to have sex and not having a lot of sexual partners lowers your risk of getting cervical cancer. The body usually clears HPV by itself and if you’re getting regular Pap smears what’s the necessity for this vaccine? Instead of a blanket
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CB
@tophbrannen
Can’t trust big pharma. You can tell me it’s safe until you’re blue in the face. Until there exists a truly, non-gov or industry funded study, I can’t relax after what they pulled during Covid.
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Josh
@alwayshasbeen3
I would love it if this study tested against a saline placebo. Hard to show it's safer otherwise.
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Take Your Medicine
@TakeYourPhysic
It's simple - I don't take vaccines for diseases I have very little to no risk of contracting. I would expect my daughter to do the same. When did it become expected to take any and all vaccines simply because they're "safe"?
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Rory Maw
@RoryMaw
The decline seems to start pre-pandemic but that might be bad graphing. Let's put that aside as it's debatable and I can't see a reason for it. What's unarguable is that people no longer trust public health officials. Sometimes that has bad consequences. But if you lie to people
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Roland Kuhn
@rolandkuhn
“This is what happens when you find all the people in the alps.” (after Walther Sobchak) Seriously: the destruction of the word “vaccine” during COVID will continue to have bad consequences for decades to come.
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AmorFati
@90s_was_peak
Blame the public all you want, its the doctors that need to change their messaging. The public is skeptical, rightly so, after covid. Doctors should consider not taking money from pharmaceutical companies to promote their products, not prematurely killing people for organs, not
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Jim MacDonald
@jimmacd
The long term data on this is not promising... I have family in the med field reporting long term issues... just do your research. I don't think any long term studies have been done on this one either.
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Ken Nelson
@atKenNelson
What do you do when you don't trust science, medical "authorities", or government. All have shown themselves to be very untrustworthy.
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Chase
@chaseposts
Blame doctors and big pharma during COVID. Credibility destroyed for a reason
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Tiger Cat
@BackTo_1970
This is what happens when people throw away their credibility, as was done with Covid, and use their expertise as A weapon. Sad. But that is exactly why this is happening.
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Ben Sim
@ben_sim
Vaccine mandates killed vaccination. It was obvious that would happen. We are led by fools.
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AD
@mntnbkr0
It is not even close to 100% effective. What are you even talking about?
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Hank
@qhxj28ny94
Covid killed institutional trust. A disaster for the medical folks who weren’t paid off by big pharma. BTW, when the CDC started hiding data, people said this would happen and got laughed off the internet.
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Christopher Chevalier
@cptnjamescook
Why wouldn't they? If you lie about the potential dangers of some vaccines, it's only natural that people mistrust you across the board moving forward. "Boy who cried wolf" is a very old story for a reason. All the covid vaccine lies have completely destroyed trust
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Dr Cigol
@DrCigol
This was a predicted result of public health institutions shredding their credibility with their policies & narratives. There are consequences for abusing authority, for infantilizing people, and presenting skewed narratives to nudge people, even if the intentions were golden.
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Saxon African
@Saxon_African
HPV is not cancer - it simply hightens the risk of cancer in individuals who are already highrisk, why are you talking sh1t? Most women's immune systems will kill the HPV virus with a little bit of time.
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Paul Hamrick
@HamrickPaul
I might be wrong but I think a certain type of British person is particularly superstitious and also very risk averse and they see harm in things where there’s no harm.
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Jeff Rothschild
@EatsleepfitJeff
Would you agree that in cases when people have an option to take it or not, if we want to understand side effects the only real placebo should be pure saline?
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L🇬🇧as Ohl
@lukas_ohl
Cremieux, is there any chance of this HPV vaccine being broadened to cover other strains? Cervical cancer is the biggest one; but other strains of HPV can cause other cancers too.
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BoyanBC
@Boyanbc
Have you ever asked yourself why? Why did the British public stop believing the people in Westminster and the government in general. Including the DHSC...
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Zanthous
@Zanthous
Last time I heard "completely safe" it was a total lie created by countless trials that poorly captured adverse events (or exclude them)
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@PabloPabok
This vaccine is administered in a defined age cohort. The vaccination rate amongst British girls remains unchanged. The ethnic composition of the cohort has changed however. Some people like this. Every NHS trust has an officer to improve numbers (relatively well paid).
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Chris
@Concerned_Cit25
It is almost like governments around the world forced experimental vaccines on to people in the last 4 years and total trust is now eroded - who would have known. 🤷‍♂️
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Beluga
@Beluga17464
Data i saw showed this to be ineffective in that rates had not come down. it was a hyped product, great marketing pitch that stuck i remember it being touted as miracle too. It was a good marketing campaign ;)
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reggie fields
@Re33ie3iel3s
i dont think im ever going to take a vaccine again in my life (im 40) i would be hesitant to allow family members to get vaccinated
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GrumpyOldScientist
@67250Old
It is effective and safe. It is incredibly painful for many. The benefits decline as HPV prevalence declines. I wonder how much its reputation for being painful matters, and if a reformation could have improved it.
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Ethan Allen Mather
@EthanAllenMathr
The international medical state shouldn’t have shown the world how much power it has over the uncommon cold that kills people with vitamin D and zinc deficiencies.
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David Matcham
@d_matcham
If only it could have been known in advance that people obviously lose trust in institutions when authoritarian measures are leveled against them. Oh wait, it was known...
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Bobitio
@00bobito00
When the government health departments lie so much, even things that may be good will be rejected. That’s the cost of trying to be a scientist and a politician. That’s the cost of lies.
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A Hungry Bear
@PeacyPete
The government blatantly lied about a major vaccine and you're surprised people are suspicious of other vaccines?
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Hocke Feeley
@FeeleyHocke
Because we’re talking about changing behavior in a White nation over the past decade, I must ask, is this because of nons?
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Harvey Dent
@El_Smid_2K
The trust in the word vaccine was heavily poisoned by the mandate of a dubious one in 2020. Now people scrutinize all of them.
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MarcoPolo
@Marco777Polo
Read that in the precancerous phase there are some people who can freeze it, by supporting /w high dose vitamin D suppositories. Is there any clinical evidence what could interfere with the HPV? For active suppositories (Imiquimod) it managed to triggering some immune response.
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J_M.jpg
@j_rem85
Could the stats be off due to males IDENTIFYING as girls? The drop off matches the movement
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Adam Nicehaupt
@adam_nicehaupt
I wonder why one might be sceptical towards vaccines…if only there was an explanation for this…damn, I can’t think of any…😂😂😂
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thatsfuckingtastic
@gomez_825130
In my country I’m trying to find anywhere. Sadly there are no options for men, even though it prevents penile, throat and anal cancer.
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@Weichaus
A) No you don’t knows it’s completely safe B) It’s an STD
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Dark Cobbett
@darkcobbett
yeah it’s the British public rejecting it as opposed to British healthcare institutions rejecting the public. lots of other medical treatment has gone into decline and not recovered
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SeñorRickBut
@rochtrar
It's almost like lying and obfuscation about a particular vaccine has had a negative impact in how the punlic views vaccination as a whole.
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orochi235
@orochi235
How to make people completely lose their fucking minds and think like morons: 1. Mention something involving children 2. Mention something tangentially related to sex
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Marvinn8686
@marvinn8686
Crackpots: "Big Pharma is hiding cure for cancer" Big Pharma: "Well, here is literally something to prevent certain types of cancer" Crackpots: "Not interested!"
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c
@ykssaspassky
Welcome to idiocracy. There might be a gene expression that deliberately trims population via stupidity
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Chris Smolinski
@ChrisSmolinski
Hey, remember some other drugs like thalidomide that they said were non-toxic and free from untoward side-effects? Yeah, I have no idea why the public might be skeptical of similar claims today.
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W. Clifton | Baro de Merton et Sancti Helieris
@wclifton968
Considering the high number of medical scandals involving dangerous drugs being pushed by the government (UK and others), and the large number of preventable deaths caused by medical malpractice, it is no wonder that Drugs, no matter how good they are have become so untrustworthy
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LaoCaiLarry
@Laocailarry1
We had a vaccine that was trusted. Then the medical establishment went feral over COVID, smeared sceptics, and turned public health into political theatre. Now even life-saving jabs get tossed out with the trash and they still won’t admit they lit the fire.
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Mollie
@Molliedumur
Injection #1 of what was supposed to be 3 total injections put my boy in the ER. It's ruined many other peoples' lives with horrible side effects. F off with this "completely safe" bs.
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Jormungandr
@jormungandrizer
That’s what happens when world governments lie about one vaccine - you undermine future support for other vaccines that you don’t lie about because people are afraid of more lies and manipulation
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