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The White House “but the suit” is a non-argument. Churchill wore a one piece wartime suit. Cleared shows they had nothing else against Zelensky.
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Vlad Lupan (NY) 
@VladLupan
Clear sign current US administration has no real arguments vs Zelensky if it has to resort to such non-arguments as to ‘suit, tie’. If one didn’t bother studying history in school, Google - Churchill wore his air raid suit in the White House while visiting US.
Coach diplomacy…
The US took all of their gold and indebted them instead. Ukraine has no gold
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We forced the UK to turn over its sovereign territory to us in exchange for old destroyers. Pretty similar story.
Then he should read about what Roosevelt took from Churchill to provide him with only a portion of what the UK had paid for
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Roosevelt insisted that the UK be split up in order to receive aid and they did as he asked.
They even let Poland—the reason for their entry into the war—go to the wolves.
That is what Britain meant by “winning the peace”
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Robert Zubrin
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NYT conservative columnist Bret Stephens hit it right on the head with this.
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Sorry, but this is a huge missing of the mark.
NYT conservative columnist Bret Stephens needs to read his history. Nothing was given by the USA to the UK to fight Nazis.
Need to read the the USA Lend-Lease act and understand its purpose was to allow European Countries to
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The UK transferred 29,000 tons of gold to the US for payments to continue the war effort until finally they got access to Lend Lease, which they only paid off in 2006.
Umm. . . It was done a bit more, um, diplomatically, but I seem to remember a bases for destroyers deal, and a request for a promise that the British Navy wouldn't be surrendered to Germany or scuttle itself. . .
The minerals deal was first proposed by Zelensky during his September 2024 visit to the US. The US merely accepted his offer.
Absurd analogy.
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Lou Perez
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Those who don’t know history are doomed to compare everything to Hitler.
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Lou Perez
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How about the 1941 US UK Land Lease deal.
US provided aide.
UK gave US prime strategic military and naval locations and agreed to the conditions that established the dollar as the global reserve currency post war.
It was the mother of shake downs.
No security guarantees
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You lost me at NYT .. do 5 mins of research and find out who they really are
The US did NOT just give resources to Britain for free during WW2.
This presupposes that the mineral deal is a quid pro quo for the security guarantee. Trump’s position, as stated, is that the mineral deal pays down the debt owed to the US for support already loaned.
Dude. Have you heard of lend lease? Britain paid back the US and it took them from 1945 to 2006 to do it.
That's exactly what happened to my ancestral home!
At the Munich Conference Neville Chamberlain seemed to have averted war by agreeing that Germany could occupy the Sudetenland, the German-speaking part of Czechoslovakia - this became known as the Munich Agreement. In Britain,
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Bret Stephens is Israeli.
He doesn’t have Americans’ best interests in mind
There ARE American security guarantees. That’s what us getting Ukrainian mining rights IS.
One thing correct - this could turn into a World War. If that’s what Zelenskyy wants, he’s doing a bang-up job of inching everyone in that direction.
There was an ocean between Germany & Britain.
Russia is already occupying Ukraine.
Zelensky is no Churchill.
Roosevelt is no Trump.
America refused to enter WW2 until Pearl Harbor.
This analogy is flawed in every way possible.
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Wait. You think — checks notes — Bret Stephens is a conservative??? Yikes
All pre-nuclear diplomacy is obsolete as a guide to diplomacy with and between nuclear peers.
When you say conservative, which person(s) are you envisioning as the symbol for that term?
WW2, Marvel, Star Wars, and Garry Potter are the only lenses these "journalists" can understand the world through. Childlike at best
The US benefitted greatly from the Marshall plan and the lend-lease act. We should always look out for our interests first.
i really hope people learn about some other conflicts besides world war 2 some day
I am so tired of the talking point that Zelensky or Ukraine is in any way comprable to Churchill and Britain in 1939. They are not for a number of very important moral and strategic reasons. This will be a long rant so bear with me.
First, Ukraine has already received aid on
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Silly comparison,Britain still had an empire behind her, Ukraine has a begging bowl.
No not even close. Zelensky failed to see the big picture. He'd have a wall of Americans and American corporations mining along the Russian border. Putin would not kill or invade when Americans are on the border thus securing Ukraine. Zelensky thought he had the upper hand
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Oh boy am I tired of simplistic historic analogies. It’s primitive empiricism. It happened yesterday so it has to happen today. Disregarding 80 years of parameter evolution in a hyper complex system. Why don’t you start thinking this whole thing from the end? What are possible
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The purpose of the mineral deal was to provide as close to a security guarantee as Russia could accept by making it clear future attacks would be an attack on US interests.
This is why no one goes to the US press for analysis anymore. They are all imbeciles who do not
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Churchill wanted the war respectfully, sir. He pulled the United States into it when he could’ve sued for peace much earlier. Churchill was not in charge, he had handlers that were driving him and funded him during his time out of office that led him to all the decisions that he
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It’s adorable how the echo chamber cites the #NYTimes like a devout Christian cites the Gospel. (Ahem. Pun intended)
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I dont disagree with the sentiment, but the historical context is 100% wrong.
The United States bankrupted the British Empire taking all its gold and any securities it could. The UK was left with a pile of debt it finished repaying in 2006
You Americans told us we were on our own time and again during WW2, and even when you did finally help it was through lend lease so expensive that we only finished paying it back in 2006.
It's a funny thing. He's playing fast and loose. Almost like he has the world's strongest military force, and the little bit of breathing room that affords one to make a point.
"NYT conservative columnist Bret Stephens" is probably one of the most imbecilic statements I read on X today:
For the fact that gives Stephens a platform (remember how rabid the criticism got when real Conservative wrote an Op-Ed piece of the NYT?),
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There's really no need to debate this incessantly. Send your money and kids over there if you'd like.
Really? That’s totally dim - I’m sure the author knows that but he is playing his role for the machine. Do you really think that these two situations are even remotely comparable?
“Conservative columnist”. And who said you don’t have a sense of humor?You’re quoting a writer whose entire professional career consist of giving newspapers 500/day and has his attorney negotiate his writing contract, critical of a man who negotiates the building of skyscrapers
Opinion writers are playing checkers ... completely miss the real story about the minerals deal. Sad.
Lend lease was our entire 'In" until we were personally attacked. We gave more and are yet to be attacked.
Scott Jennings leaves liberals STUNNED when he drops a nuclear bomb on the Biden "legacy."
Probably the dumbest post I’ve read today. I’m not at all surprised it’s by the .
Truly, that’s enough X for today.
Would all liberal media & culture instantly vanish if they weren't allowed to talk about world war 2 or Harry Potter?
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Andrew "The Kid" Glidden
@asglidden
It is astonishing to me that nominally intelligent people fail to understand the purpose of the minerals deal: using American megacorps as human shields for Russian aggression creates a durable, *implicit* security guarantee without formalizing it in terms Putin can reject. x.com/robert_zubrin/…
Halifax made that pitch to Churchill after Chamberlin embarrassed the UK. This is a completely different situation, we can tell because Europe is still buying energy from Russia and has zero troops on the ground in Ukraine.
The difference is Britain was one of our strongest allies and Ukraine is not and we still didnt physically join the war till pearl harbor...
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Well in fact the USA did profit from Day 1 of WWII, we sold munitions to Europe Britain France etc., and they were heavily indebted to the USA for those munitions, yet Roosevelt refused to join the War and didn't join nor send major troop numbers into Europe until 1942, after the
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Love Bret Stephens, always telling it like it is
Great to see him calling out the nonsense in his column, we need more truth tellers like him
Thanks for sharing Robert, always appreciate your insights
Majority of pro-Ukraine supporters have no argument for what America gains from involving itself in Europe other than "muh democracy" or "muh Putin". Trump's deal creates a clear financial incentive for America to intervene. Yet, Europe rejects purely because they hate Trump
1940s England is not the same importance as 2025 Ukraine. It’s silly to make the comparison
UK owed US and Canada so much money that it took them 56 years to pay it off. Also, Great Britain had to give up its Empire. Go read a history book.
Idiots should avoid history. FDRs Cash & Carry program sold arms to Britain & required the UK to transport them. Destroyers for Bases: 50 mothballed ships exchanged for 99 year leases on 8 UK naval bases. Tizard Mission, UK gave US top secret tech & we produced it for sale.
Competing this to the Second World War is crazy crazy cray crazy. Also, it’s very much a European war with world implications.
The is actual revisionist history. FDR did everything in his power to keep the US out of WWII. It wasn’t until the bombing of Pearl Harbor that the US go involved.
"fork over" is the reveal that this is not analysis, it is partisan criticism.
Placing a vital US national interest into the middle of the conflict changes all of the thinking.
I'm no Trump fan but Roosevelt didn't enter the war till Japan attacked and was helping Britain the bare minimum
Was Britain shoving kids into vans so they could be blown up the next day????
It’s wild that this has to be said but Putin as evil as he is, is not Hitler, Ukraine is not Britain and this is not WW3!
Ukraine will never be in NATO and a piece of paper “guaranteeing Ukraine’s safety” is worthless but a financial incentive in Ukraine’s sovereignty is
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Maybe I am naive but it needs to be explained to the American people that their leader is a public servant who is meant to be serving them. The meeting with Zelenski was not about Trumps ego, if he is truly representing his people Trump would put aside his personal emotions and
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The UK paid the United States back for all aid.
Y’all are knuckle draggers for real it’s embarrassing,
When the EU makes the same deal and claims it was their idea, will that be better? Could have done it thousands of lives ago. Can’t give Trump any credit for wanting the killing to stop.
Here we go with the WW2 analogies, and as usual from people who don't even know what happened then.
You obviously never heard of the destroyers-for-bases deal, or the Lend-Lease Act.
This is an apples vs oranges scenario.
Hitler didn't have nuclear weapons. Land war to put him down was costly, but achievable.
There is no military "win" in the current conflict that doesn't involve the nuclear option.
This should be viewed as undesirable.
Stephens and the lot of you knuckleheads keep evoking muh Hitler as the only paradigm the world can be seen through today without a thought as to how going to war with Germany may have been a colossal mistake. Your brand of history reading has always been in error. You're
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When are you two going over to stand the wall in Ukraine?
Hop in a plane today, if you mean anything you say!
Please understand that this is literally the opposite of what happened in WW2. Roosevelt dragged his feet at every opportunity to even criticize Hitler, much less declare war on him.
America explicitly and intentionally bankrupted the British Empire to destroy a potential
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Bill Clinton gave Ukraine to Russia. Putin has just now gotten around to taking it.
Wild that Bret managed to type that with one hand while jacking a dude off with the other
Zelensky would have been a total idiot to sign the agreement.
Would you sign over your house's deed to me on the promise that I'd go make another deal with someone who hates you, and that guy would pay you for your house?
Of course you wouldn't, because almost nobody is that
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Blah blah blah. If Trump should walk on water you’d complain that he didn’t swim. It’s old already.
Brett Stephens is not very bright. Evidently he’s determined to prove he’s not very bright. Everything he writes here is inaccurate and driven by emotion, like a teenage girl.
Once again people fail to understand what Trump was doing. You fail to realize that by making a deal for the minerals, he was offering security. Think about it. If the US has businesses in Ukraine mining and buying minerals, they act as a deterrent from Russian aggression. If
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Idk who needs to hear this but not every guy we don't like is Hitler. NATO didn't exist in 1940.
Also at that point, Nazi Germany had just taken over half of Europe already and showed no signs of slowing down as 3k British civilians were getting killed per day in the Blitz.
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Did Hitler have over 5,000 nuclear warheads? Oh that's right, he did not. I'm sorry but there's no scenario where Ukraine is winning this conflict.