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A simpler paper from a few years back with an interesting perspective: sciencedirect.com/science/articl
Is this from this paper from last year?
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4.2bn years ago historically was on the earlier end of any estimated age range for LUCA. however, this was the most reliable estimate using sophisticated estimation algorithms for Dr. Moody et al. crucially, they estimated the complexity of LUCA to be higher than anticipated.
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Without reading this, as an evolutionary biologist, I can tell you it’s going to completely speculative and based on the assumption that we have a LCUA, which is not known. Phylogeny is way more of a mess than imagined.
The study aims to understand the nature of the Last Universal Common Ancestor (LUCA), its age, and its impact on the early Earth system. LUCA is the oldest node on the tree of life from which the fundamental prokaryotic domains (Archaea and Bacteria) diverge.
The researchers
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Fuck biology use math to prove it.
P1) the universe is infinite
P2) infinite universe mean there is a >0% chance anything exists
P3) if everything you can think of exists, then 4D extraterrestrials exist
C) there is a 4D being witnessing this interaction and laughing at us
Is there something about this discovery that suggests this evolution specifically took place on earth, as opposed to supporting a Panspermia hypothesis?
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What isn't mentioned is that this makes abiogenesis (life from non-life) much more difficult, due to the higher complexity of the first functional cells. Abiogenesis research is already on the ropes due to difficulty in generating basic starting molecules from inorganics...
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I think the assumptions about rate of genomic change/evolution that are baked in to such a model make the timeline very uncertain. Still, this is very cool.
Isn’t panspermia a more probable explanation? No less exciting prospect for life elsewhere.
If you aren't already familiar with the abiogenesis research of and Dave Deamer at I recommend it!
Bruce is an old friend. I've been tracking this line of research for almost 15 years...the LUCA findings make perfect sense in light of their hypothesis.
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God just say it. Its panspermia, it's obviously panspermia. Either from mars or there's biological bits and pieces wafting through the cosmos on the regular. I'd bet my house on it at this point.
I always wonder what’s to stop organisms from existing on Venus. I understand the high temperatures would be a challenge but CO2 and lots of thermal energy should yield some kind of life.
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Ask King Solomon about “aliens”. Spirits that are not
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Thanks for sharing! How can we tell if complex life form in the early days of Earth means that complex life is common and quick to develop vs complex life is rare and it was born somewhere else?
This is interesting! Seems to tie in with this research about life jumping from single cell to multi cellular in 2023
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How hard is it for Multicellular life to develop?
Turns out, E-Z.
600 days for yeast to go multicellular with distinct functional groups. All that was needed was a lack of oxygen that caused them to seek efficiencies in larger structures.
One hard step eliminated for
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If you have enough bio chemistry knowledge of the complexity of our body plus add up some research like this then the simplest most likely explanation is creation or panspermia but then you get to ask the same question for the planet of origin.
This choice is possible only if you
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It does open the question of where embryogeneis occurred — there must be a “mother planet” that’s the true home planet for not only all life on earth but for life on trillions of other planets.
Wonder if it still exists today and what it looked like in its prime?
The waters (pun intended) are murky as geologists still debate when the Earth got its water. Some theories put it as late as 3.8 billion years ago, which is about 400 million after LUCA appeared. Otherwise, it is absolutely improbable that life is unique to Earth.
So if you shipped LUCA packages to other potentially habitable planets, you’d plant the seeds for life there?
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yeah it’s hard to say without a fossil record and knowing what exact method they used in this manuscript. Thanks for sharing your understanding of it. If I remember correctly, Cnidarians have been used as models for astrobiology experiments. Deep ocean and evolution for
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