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NEW: UC San Diego has released a new report documenting a “steep decline in the academic preparedness” of its freshmen. The number of entering students needing remedial math has exploded from 1/100 to 1/8. They’ve had to create a second remedial class covering elementary and middle school math skills in addition to the one covering gaps from high school. 🧵
Bar graph titled Top 30 Growth of the Math 2 Population by Major 2019-2024 displays upward trends in student numbers for various fields from 2020 to 2024. Fields include International Studies in blue, Cognitive Science in orange, Public Health in green, Real Estate Development in purple, Aerospace Engineering in yellow, Chemistry in red, Economics in teal, and Mathematics in light blue among others. X-axis shows years 2020 to 2024, Y-axis counts from 0 to 600 students.
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“This deterioration coincided with the COVID-19 pandemic and its effects on education, the elimination of standardized testing, grade inflation, and the expansion of admissions from under-resourced high schools.”
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The report focuses on the decline of math skills in particular. They recently tested a group of their students. Here are the percentages of students who correctly answered questions at each grade level:
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As mentioned, they had to create a second remedial class. They explain: “While Math 2 was designed in 2016 to remediate missing high school math knowledge, now most students had knowledge gaps that went back much further, to middle and even elementary school. To address the
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As a major cause at UCSD in particular, they point to a significant increase in students admitted from “Local Control Funding Formula (LCFF)” schools, which are “California public schools in which more than 75 percent of the school's total enrollment is composed of students who
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“Table 6 shows that UC San Diego has had more than double the LCFF+ enrollment percentages compared to all other campuses during 2022-2024, except for UC Riverside (which still trails UC San Diego) and UC Merced (which leads UC San Diego by a few percentage points). The first
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This is a damning report of the state of admissions at UCSD. The report makes clear that the situation is straining resources and making it difficult for the university to serve its mission and its students:
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Is this because of change in college admissions or change in high school quality?
You forgot to mention that UCSD had 134k applicants and accepted about 7k last year. Instead of remedial instruction they should just do a better job of filtering talent. That is the problem here. As a UCSD faculty member I have never hired a student who required remedial
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And yet parents will defend to their dying breath giving their children smartphones and tablets
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University of California, San Diego is considered to be among the top universities of California, especially in STEM topics. How is this possible as the average quality of the students for such top university should remain high?
UCSD in particular recently announced that admissions into engineering, comp sci, and biological sciences would preferentially go to poor or first-generation applicants.
Yeah, my experience at non-UCSD universities jibes with this too. The difference in skills even between 19 yo’s in 2021 and 19 yo’s in 2025 feels like an ability gap of at least 5-6 years, all else equal. Only going to get worse if secondary schools force AI adoption.
When you take away standardized tests (SAT/ACT), you are relying on high school grades to determine student preparedness. These grades are no longer dependable - looks like it is time to go back to testing.
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My senior is an over 4.0, huge volunteer hours and two sport athlete from college prep high school. They don’t want him. He will apply and we know he will get rejected from ucla, ucsd, cal, ucsb and Davis. My kid is ready. So he will go out of state.
The UCs already did this through Eligibility in the Local Context (ELC) for Fall 2001 (application Fall 2000) to bypass Prop 209 (1996). Most districts are LCFF (not basic aid). What UC is illegally tracking/codifying especially at UCSD is Race. 1/2
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Steve McGuire
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Enrollment from these schools has increased system-wide and especially at UCSD:
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Why is a remedial math class called Math 2? How easy is Math 1? Is it like Jasmine Crockett level? Seriously people?
Ironically, if we want to stop failing students, we need to start failing them. Bring back the hard F. It’s harsh, but it’s the only way. If you can’t give a student an F, then A’s are meaningless. And at some point, we have to stop blaming everything on Covid. There have to be
It’s absurd to offer remedial classes covering middle school math to STEM majors. Math isn’t a set of formulas you memorize, it’s a way of thinking developed over years. If someone can’t handle basic algebra or fractions, they shouldn’t be in a STEM field. Transfer them to
A fraction of the money spent on the Education Department should have just bought a national license for the Saxon Math curriculum Every day students do several of these: some with help, some without help. They start easy and get gradually more difficult for 6-8 years.
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The UC Systems was originally designed to be a three tier system. The UCs were supposed to be premier research institutions, the Ivies of the west. The CSU System was supposed to serve as the backbone, good state schools that were much closer to many students. The CCCs provided
Sometimes, I think that the American system is lame. Almost everywhere else in the world, one needs to cover fundamentals & pass some national standardized test before entering the college, which is why there are remedial classes for elementary school math in UK, India or China.
So, are you telling me that 90% graduation rates don’t equate to 90% of students actually being prepared for what comes after graduation? Shocker!
This is insane. My daughter just spoke with a UCSD admissions rep at a college fair. Their average entering GPA last year was over 4.1 weighted. Seems that a lot of grades are inflated bs if these students need remedial math.
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It's related to their "holistic" admissions criteria. My 4.2 GPA students don't get in but their criteria includes: "...accomplishments in light of your life experiences, including: low family income, first gen to attend college, need to work, disadvantaged social environment..."
UC banned kids from submitting SAT scores to be "equitable." This is the idiotic dumbing down of standards and everyone knows it. If these kids can't do basic math - they are just as bad at reading and writing and they don't belong at UC San Diego.
This explains their enrollment calculations to require bulldozing Bay Park for their "transit oriented housing" project... 🥴 Don't trust on math or economics... you've been warned.
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Err… mathematics majors require remedial mathematics?! Also, Structural and Mechanical Engineering majors made the list as well? Wtf?
The average amount spent per student in the U.S. is $16,500. That's the average tuition rate per year at a mid-tier international school in many countries. Yet those schools far outperform ours, often exceeding not just U.S. averages, but also global averages. (That includes the
My daughter is in AP Calculus and gets As in Math, but she won’t be admitted to UCSD because she doesn’t check the right boxes. Nobody knows or understands who gets admitted to UC schools anymore.
There are people that have been accepted into a university for a Mathematics degree that have to do remedial maths? How does that work?
This also has a direct impact on those kids that ARE prepared for advanced math classes (ahem homeschooled kids) due to the lack of advanced class choices to fit into your schedule and classes that aren’t even offered in ‘off’ semesters. Example, trying to take calculus II in
The final results of Common Core math. Many parents were shouting from the rooftops, but too many were complacent, so it fell on deaf ears. If you didn't homeschool over the last decade, then your kids are deficient in math. Just facts🤷🏼‍♀️
Maybe overly aggressive school closures during COVID and covering up the debacle by passing students in grade-level schools regardless of skills or demonstrated learning might have something to do with it 🤔
Sure is an amazing coincidence this happened when they got rid of standardized tests for admissions. What are the odds?
Happening in top tier engineering schools too..
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Danger Casey
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So they had to add pre-calc because "some didn't have the chance to take it in hs" But Physics is calc-based so they had to add a non-calc one But even before that, people had poor writing skills so they added a remedial Freshman Comp 13 of 16 credits first term: remedial
Is there data on transfer students? As a CC transfer myself there is NO way you can even apply if you don’t follow the IGETC schedule which requires at least Calc2 and advanced English for even a humanities major
How are you getting into flagship state universities if you need remedial math? Is there something I’m missing? Am I too old at 28 to understand the current system or something?
I recently saw admissions stat from high Schools to UCs from sf chronicle. I noticed the difference in admission rates favoring lower income schools vs more affluent and now I understand why. Thanks for this write up.’
Thanks Covid… these are the kids stuck in the bedrooms and not in the classroom. It’s had a huge impact on learning.
I’m only confused about this as a stepping stone to calculus bc humanities majors don’t need Calc…their math requirements are minimal.. So the 1/8 who need remedial help are students who aspire to a bachelor of science degree?
“You wasted $150,000 on an education you coulda got for $1.50 in late fees at the public library” Somehow this becomes more and more relevant every year
They didn't want my daughter with her high SAT and IQ scores. She did get into places that filter by SAT, and so is surrounded by smart people, which is a better outcome.
Part of the reason college grads are having difficulties getting hired. They think they’re qualified because of a fancy degree that’s been watered down, and the real world exposes it.
It is NO SURPRISE that preparedness collapsed about 12 years after the smart phone was introduced in society. Give every student a handheld social media and gaming system to stare at all day and you wonder why they don't learn anything. 👉🏽AND IT'S WORSE THAN YOU THINK -
Someone please reconcile this with the number of kids who are getting turned down with 1500+ SAT scores, AP classes, and straight As.
I have first hand experience of how political the UCs have become after Covid when they neglected SAT scores and tried to democratize merit. Many talented students have been hurt, more imp, the UCs itself are now a subpar institution.
Where are the school administrators and teachers whose pay depends on academic readiness, at least in part? I know that it is also a problem with poor and disengaged parents. But if the schools were morally courageous and held to their standards, unsupportive parents would be
The worst. My son had perfect gpa with 1520 sat score. All league varsity baseball player. 780 on math portion. Wait listed.
WTF?!?? When I was a kid, all the UC schools were considered good, but UCSD was considered as good as any other than Berkeley and UCLA. What the hell did UCSD do to their student body?
And yet the rumor was that the UC's were getting more selective, at least in engineering. Doesn't comport.
A secondary consequence of this is that after a 4 year bachelor degree students haven't had time to complete as many advanced classes compared to the pre-covid graduates. They still get a degree as they completed the number of units required.
My college age kids tutor for the local community college and say they keep getting worse every semester. One this term didn’t understand the concept of multiplication.
I train college students during internships in a stem company. It's not my primary role, I do it voluntarily because I like to give young people a chance like I had. The quality of students severely declined since COVID. There are no other variables that seem to explain it.
Colleges have finally figured out students are ATMs, and admitting as many as possible, regardless of capability, is great for business.
I attended UCSD starting in 1998. My peers were brilliant. I started as basically a sophomore due to AP credits and only had to take a few first-year classes. I did not know one student who had to take these classes. Lowering admission standards benefits NO ONE! I felt so
The scariest part is there are a lot of engineering students needing assistance. That’s nuts and really scary.
So... college is now the completion of middle and high school? How far we've dropped.... The movie "Idiocracy" is coming true now
This regrettable trend has been developing for 30+ years. In the mid-‘90s, Prof. David Drew published “Aptitude Revisted”. When he wrote it, he was at UTEP, but by time it was published, he was at Cal Poly, Pomona, maybe as Math Dept. head. At UTEP, his grad student who proctored
This comes as no surprise to parents who have watched their children suffer through common core math.
That shows the priority of colleges - quantity over quality. The remedial classes wouldn't be needed if their admissions standards were high enough, but they want the enrollment numbers up for the big bucks they bring in.
Or…they could start imposing a ceiling, and then DECREASING the number of remedial students accepted until it goes to zero. Require graduating from high schools and elementary schools to mean something. Otherwise, the end point is that people graduating from college are
Common Core/Bill Gates. Failure by design. Kids not memorizing basic facts so they can do the advanced algebra and higher levels efficiently. I had sixth graders trying to count on their fingers to solve problems. They didn’t know times tables. Couldn’t do fractions/percents.
Way to go Gavin! Leading the way! Pathetic waste of taxpayer funding. Better than Gavin's record on High Speed Rail however
I teach automotive fundamentals at a junior college and I see this as well. A distinct lack of writing skills primarily. And the handwriting is ATROCIOUS.
So much for the “holistic review” of the UC system. Kids who need elementary and middle school math remediation should not be getting admitted to a school like UCSD. And primary and secondary teachers should not be passing students who don’t meet standards. Utter failure on all
Hope the students aren’t using student loans as it is highly probable they will drop out and be left holding the bag. All due to the school’s enrollment picture which would collapse without these unqualified students
This is complete moral failure at these universities to have students taking elementary, and middle school math classes while paying/accruing debt at full university cost. It is setting them up in a huge financial trap. They should immediately be directed to catch up at much
College is a waste of time for about half of students—and probably 60–70% of men. They graduate into a world that’s basically anti-education: nothing meaningful gets built, very few people are in skilled roles, and a ton of guys just get dumped into generic sales jobs anyway.
The current head of the LA Teachers unions literally said that it doesn't matter if kids know their times tables as long as they know the definition of "insurrection". She also said learning loss isn't real.
It’s pretty simple to explain. This is what happens when you circumvent Prop 209 and admit unqualified students
no standardized testing. Grade inflation. DEI in the classroom…. here we are. top 20 US public school with 13% needing remedial math…. and it’s probably underreported.
It all begins at grade school. They need to bring back standards and stop being afraid to fail these kids.
I’m sure this will bolster the folks pushing for multiple guess testing instead of following up and seeing which high school the students came from and addressing it that way. But hey, more money for ETS.
This is more of an indictment against the Teacher's Unions and Public Education than it is against UC San Diego and their greed. Setting up students to fail services nobody but the banks they take loans from to pay for tuition, room, and board. Go to community college first.
And yet they’re turning away many highly qualified students who are Asian or white. Much of this issue would be solved by returning to standardized testing and meritorious admissions.
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Wendy
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I had a new student in my Algebra II class. She was homeschooled previously, and this was her first experience in public school. Two days in, she’s already unerolling. I’m not surprised, given our last conversation. Her words when I asked her what she thought: “I wanted to see
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You can’t have record amounts of non English language learners filling k-12 classrooms and not expect that entire classes aren’t negatively impacted. Teachers can only effectively teach to the slowest learners.
This is a DIRECT result of schools focusing on ‘equity’ (aka- passing everyone no matter what, cuz you don’t want anyone to feel bad) and having zero expectations or standards. I would bet $1000 that if they studied kids from Blue states vs Red, that kids from Blue
cc interesting to note the start date of this trend. Ofc, that could be a coincidence, but it seems plausible this could be covid related given what we know about how infections can cause cognitive damage.
So what? University preparedness in one particular course has no great significance. Other skills improved during the pandemic. Scores in traditional academic measures like math have declined, but students have been forced to become masters of digital, asynchronous, and
Step into any public school and you will see why students lag. Teachers aren't allowed to remove disruptive students and restorative justice leads any consequence. Add in an influx of non-English speaking students who must be accommodated, and it is overwhelming.
2. I needed those classes mentioned, extra tutoring & support. I started w/C & ended senior year w/A. It’s totally possible to catch up. The systems teach us how to think, learn & solve problems Genius are rare,those who excel continues to excel. We don’t bring the system down
but they are admitted anyway. they just keep dumbing down for dollars. if you give free student loan money the college will give finger painting to get the money if that's what it takes.