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Something big is happening in China. For the first time ever, 2-year government bond yields in China seem headed below 1%. Thread. 1/
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For reference, Chinese yields are already lower than during the peak of the Great Financial Crisis and the pandemic meltdown. Something huge is happening in China - and we should pay attention. 2/
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The Chinese Central Bank (PBOC) has cut rates multiple times. But why is China cutting interest rates this much? The explanation lies in the chart below: while the West repaired its private balance sheets after the Great Financial Crisis, China did the exact opposite. 3/
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The Chinese private sector debt as a % of GDP has exploded north of 200%, a figure which has proven to be a catalyst for many crisis in the past. So when recently Xi decided to slow down the leverage party, property developers got in trouble and the housing market froze. 4/
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And so like Japan in the 1990s, China has decided to try and ''fix'' the problem by lowering interest rates. The problem? That's unlikely to work. Ask Japan: to offset the burst of their housing bubble, in the 1990s Japan slashed rates from 8% to 1%... 5/
...and yet Japanese households simply refused to kick off the credit engine again as they were still licking their wounds. China is in trouble, and it's applying the wrong policy. 6/
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There have been 3 key phases of Chinese leverage: A) Corporates (red) B) Households (blue) C) And now fiscal is the only solution (orange) 7/
Phase 1 saw Chinese corporates (red) tap leverage aggressively (2010-2016). Once corporates’ appetite for debt was exhausted, Xi Jinping tapped Chinese households (phase 2). This led to the creation of a massive real estate bubble which China is trying to deflate. So now.. 8/
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...the only agent left to pick up the slack is the Chinese government (phase 3?) Fiscal deficits are key here. China better act fast, or things could get really ugly. 9/
And the funny thing is everyone freaks out about Jay saying they are only cutting twice next year, never mind they are always wrong, but if one of the largest economy in the world is about to go through a deflationary recession how in the hell is the USA going to get inflation
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When Chinese bonds yield less than a fortune cookie’s wisdom you know something’s def cooking Like watching a dragon trying to perform ballet: technically impressive .. but you can’t help wondering if this is how it’s supposed to work
They are going to drive rate to near zero and refinance their real estate nightmare asset base. I don’t think it stops the demographic terror coming as fewer buyer exist over time but it might push off the reckoning.
Spot on. Everyone obsesses over the wrong type of debt. It's high private sector debt that leads to recessions and public debt cushions the blow.
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Everyone obsesses over public debt when it’s private debt that poses a greater risk to economic stability. Countries with sovereign control over their currency can manage debt far differently than households/companies. Government debt cushions private sector deleveraging.
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"China's economic slowdown is making waves globally. 📉 With 1-year government bond yields dipping below 1% for the first time since 2008, concerns about a looming recession are intensifying. While falling yields point to a weaker outlook, the Chinese government is countering
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I have been saying for about 2 years ! #China is in real trouble ! there economy is not growing any where the pace that they would need to pass the US in GDP ! I think they will never catch up now since we have a real capitalist government coming on Jan ! 2025 may not be a the
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You can Grok to check, PBOC is not really doing any meaning full QE (buying back gov bond). They lower rate b/c the investors willing to pay more for gov bond. The real risk is a bond bubble, which can pop when rate go up.
Nothing big, The Chinese government push company to invest and people spend but the economy is in recession, business is shrinking and people are losing jobs. Governmen bond is the only choice because Chinese real estate is going through downturn.
China is building a 6G. Has one if the worlds largest consumer base and manufacturing hun, is on it way to becoming a self sustaining country. Car manufacturers has seized more than 50% of the world’s Automarket Sector. I acknowledge your analysis but china is no way near
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The 2-year yield drop below 1% signals investor anticipation of entrenched deflation. For traders, the play is clear: short CNY versus USD and overweight assets that benefit from lower Chinese import prices, such as developed market bonds.
Yup so, there's a couple revolts going on in China 1) the elderly aren't being taken care of financially or otherwise. So they've revolted 2) 35 year old men are fired from their jobs and replaced by younger men, and forced to restart as a cleaner or something .
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De Chinese economie is al twee jaar in vrije val. Onroerend goed bubbel is nog steeds aan het leeg lopen. Massale jeugdwerkloosheid en armoede. Chinezen willen en kunnen de alsmaar slechter wordende Huawei telefoons niet meer kopen. Het lijkt Duitsland wel.
China is dying, much worse than Japan in the 1990s. Unemployment rate is much worse than CCP announced. China’s real estate makes the middle class lose their next 30 years. China's birth rate has fallen the fastest in recent years. Go short CNH and long YANG, you can thank me
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China will become desperate and declare war on someone, or sucker punch someone with a nuke. While they are in thier death throws we must be on high alert in the west.
Prob has to do with a stagnant population. They will be entering the population decrease stage. As an investor. Shrinking population is one of my biggest fears.
To what extent will the Chinese government push exports via a cheaper Yuan? If they do it will lead to significant pushbacks from Europe and US. This then supports the de-globalization trend we are already seeing. De-globalization is inherently inflationary. Oops!
Very insightful, do you think if their economy continues to deteriorate and experiences severe recession could it spill to other economies/markets ?
If yields are low, doesn't that mean bond prices are high? And, if that's so, why would bond prices be rising if there is future economic uncertainty?
They are timing it well and trying to solve the problem unlike The US which is turning the blind eye.
It’s hard to maintain a facade of a market economy more than a decade into a hard reset chasing the outdated central planning schema at the heart of the collectivist ideology.
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Where have you been? Their biggest real estate company failed a year ago and they have been knocking down houses to artificially inflate prices. Their unemployment rate is high and the consumer base has not been spending. This has been happening for 2 years now
I wonder how far the tax base has shrunk ? Because the CCP routinely lie who knows what the real births , deaths and marriages are ? Disposable income ?
The government there has its head in the sand. They drip stimulus and work around the edges of the problem instead of facing it head on. It will be more painful to correct the longer they delay. One of the disadvantages of an authoritarian government.
Lol...you guys have killed China so many times ...yet its thriving...just quit or come and spend a good 6 months in China to really understand how things work!