Post
Conversation
![David Watson 🥑](data:image/svg+xml,<svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="96" height="96"><rect fill-opacity="0"/></svg>)
Again: I'm not speculating about the shooter. I just have been stunned how quickly people have jumped with certainty to partisan conclusions. Because in extremism spaces, the Charlie Kirk Hater to Nazi pipeline is canon. It's how we got a generation of antisemitic extremists.
Nick Fuentes literally built his movement attacking Kirk from the right. They turned him into a caricature of all that they detested: Faux-populism, Zionism + anti-white policy, astroturfed by billionaires and establishment elites who would sell out their race for political power
And Kirk hatred was also crucial to their growth: At TPUSA events theyd grill him on Israel, immigration etc, never going mask-off but subtly injecting their invective into more mainstream GOP conversations. And this would inevitably peel off a few sympathizers in attendance.
The "Groyper War," as they call it, is literally how Nick Fuentes became Nick Fuentes. It's how a generation of angry young men took their first step into the fascist rabbithole. For many, it was as simple as starting to question why Charlie Kirk wouldn't say XYZ about ABC.
Again: I'm not speculating on the shooter. We'll know soon enough. I just think this is crucial history; if it doesnt help us understand the events of today, it certainly will help us understand things 2 and 5 and 10 years from now.
One clarification: In my first tweet, I meant to say HAD not HAS been reviled for years. Over the last few years, Kirk steadily moved further and further right, and was openly talking about Great Replacement Theory, Christian nationalism and other once-fringier things.
If you properly understand the Groyper meta, this dynamic has softened a bit in recent years as Kirk has offered an olive branch
Yeah, I noted towards the bottom that the worst hate passed as Kirk drifted further right. Even so, there was quite a bit of animosity over Israel, Epstein, Trump, etc. as of late.
This shit is by design impossible to keep up with unless you treat it as your special interest
I'm not surprised. White supremacists hate everyone, including themselves.
I remember the Groyper war on TPUSA and yes they always thought Kirk was weak. But the part you don't seem to understand is that they use his and TPUSA to get their message out and recruit. Groypers join TPUSA campus clubs and work their way up in them to win people over to
I knew all this, but it is also well-accepted in this memetic space that Charlie has (had 
) become more and more /ourguy/ over the last few years, and not even the most hard right groyper bore him any ill will for years now (plus just not crazy the way leftists are)
Doubtful
) become more and more /ourguy/ over the last few years, and not even the most hard right groyper bore him any ill will for years now (plus just not crazy the way leftists are)
Doubtful
The John Birch Society and white-nationalist militia movement also believe/d that Republicans from Eisenhower and Hoover to George W Bush were pursuing Marxism. It's been a dynamic on the right for 80 years.
This is actually pretty reminiscent of the Nicholas sandmann reaction—ppl lobbing takes in their Fox News msnbc bubbles because there was no mainstream political frame for a group as boutiquely weird as the black Hebrew 1sraelites
Im not surprised. They hate Ben Shapiro too. What we are seeing is horseshoe theory proven right, that the fringes are united in their support for petty political violence against basically everyone who is relatively in the broad normal range of politics.
Also white supremacists HATED him due to his fervent support of Israel. He wasn’t well loved by the far right despite what people think
Fuentes took aim at his Israel position less than 2 weeks ago.
The shooting is a 200 yard shot. It isn't a novice shot.
It seems more likely to be a Groyper than a liberal or leftist.
Coworker of mine today, "Who was Charlie Kirk?" "You know, one of the most popular right-wing social media influencers." "Dry-ass p-word dude?" "No, that's Ben Shapiro", "The literal nazi?" "No, that's Nick Fuentes." "So who TF was Charlie Kirk?" "The Viktor Orbon fanboy" "Oooh!"
if this isnt a mossad agent it's for sure a wignat explicitly mad about israel and jeffery epstein. soon as i heard he got shot in utah, i knew. you're not gonna find a leftist in Provo that can hit a juggular from two football fields away
Dumb it down for me... Are you saying in the right wing space he's more relatively "left" ? I had no idea he was a christian sweetheart on facebook so this is actually helpful context
also, given that Kirk was killed in Utah, what percentage of the people there that can accurately shoot someone from 200 yards are right wing? probably 95%?
Is that why he made that recent turn towards hard Islamophobia and demonizing MLK jr?
Erm, you’re implying white supremacists don’t like him. That’s drivel. Anyhow all true except for that implication. Also most people didn’t even know who he was
This is correct. White supremacists yes, but specifically anti semites. He probably doesn't get as much hate as Ben Shapiro but it's up there. The antisemitic alt right hates them both with a passion...
That changed in the past year as Kirk moved much closer to endorsing proto-white-nationalist/identitarian ideas
I never paid enough attention to him to hate him. I’d see stuff he said & roll my eyes but that’s about it.
The problem with MAGA is that they’re always ready to turn on their own - literally anyone who disagrees with Trump gets thrown under the bus. I won’t speculate but I just
A RWNJ shooting Kirk could consider it a two-fer: getting rid of a hated opponent, *and* getting people outraged at the left (assuming they aren't caught).
I told my husband it's gonna be someone on the right, when you brand is hate, you reap/sow.
yeah first thing I did was to to pol bc I couldn't find the video on here and there's plenty of celebration there
Even the white supremacists have turned on Trump to a large degree. Especially Fuentes.
Not surprised at all, and been known this for years, not just about him, but people in general. John Lennon was killed by one of his fans. I'm not gonna be shocked at all when it's announced it wasn't a liberal. I'd put good money on it not being a liberal
thank you my god felt like i was going insane by how few people seemed aware of the kirk v groypers dynamic. what do you mean you people don’t obsessively follow online alt-right neo-nazi discourse?? wdym you don’t know lucas gage???
Yes could theoretically be an enemy on his end of the political spectrum, reminded of a theory that the Minnesota legislator was targeted by far left for being too moderate
Im pretty sure whomever made that shot definitely has trained in those circles if they weren't prior service.
I’m not surprised
CK was probably just appearing to be moderately RW to allow others a platform to attack him from the right
It’s a tactic of radicalization - sow controversy in the middle - move to previously radical positions to demonstrate the effectiveness of the argument
How was Kirk painted as an anti-white fraud given the racist rhetoric he spewed?
He really seemed to have gone full mask off fascist white supremacy propagandist over the past couple of years though.
Thanks for bringing this to attention. Had no idea this was burbling on that side of the fence.
Do you know how funny it is going to be if his shooter is revealed to be some Nazi 
I was in some of his live events several years ago and last year and found it very strange how the group called “groypers” called him out the way they did.
The conservatives will do everything but canonize him now
Two white supremacist with disagreements. Period. Charlie was indeed a white supremacist racist
Charlie would’ve been the president 12-15 years from now. He was a generational political talent and a moderate voice among the crowds of woke left and the far right. Someone knew that and was threatened by him. Prayers for his family.
It's kinda funny but it's like leftists have no idea who got killed or his place in the right's political constellation. They killed a containment mechanism of the far right.
Wh this possibility has occurred to me. Right now with the killer disappearing it’s starting to feel very much like a project to instigate conflict in the US.
I’m more surprised he was 31. I thought the dude was older and more established
I give it a 6 out of 10 that the shooter was RW militia as you speculate
so if the extreme right benefited so much from him, why would they kill him?
We knew but free speech and we knew he was a hateful person.
This is absolute bullshit that completely ignores the droves of not-quite-Nazi fans that adored him.
Or that Ghandi, Malcom X, Sadat and Beginwere assassinated by people within their movements
Bro you're a fucking white idiot telling minorities that Charlie Kirk WASN'T a white supremacist. GTFO you know nothing and understand nothing.
Yeah Charlie was more moderate compared to most right wingers (which is crazy)
Its fair to make a guess the shooter was either a far right extremist “groyper”, islamist, or far leftist.
Laura Loomer said Charlie Kirk was stabbing the President in the back on this platform two months ago.
The shooter is a Troon. He posted how he was gonna see Charlie disappear tomorrow and how he was coming to his school.
They are looking for the Troon
groypers are themselves anti-white. they just hated charlie kirk for being pro-Israel. also nobody should take Nick "Fed" Fuentes or his ressentiment followers seriously
That is why Kirk was an ideal sacrifie for Trump to use to cause a distraction from Epstein
As recently as August 28, "Nick Fuentes launched a fiery attack on Charlie Kirk and Turning Point USA, accusing them of hypocrisy for supporting U.S. alignment with Israel......."
My first thoughts on the murderer’s intentions were “I honestly don’t know if TDS or ‘He’s an Israeli asset’ anymore.” I can see both, that’s so bad
Groypers shit on almost anyone who doesn't follow their weird beliefs. None of them wouldve remove kirk from the ecosystem because he helped feed them
Of course you're speculating, it's the exact reason you're posting this right now.
Another urinalist with its pseudo intellectual degenerate thread. You are on the same level as junkies, prostitutes and pedophiles. Your opinions don't matter. We are done negotiating with terrorists, yoy have blood on your hands.