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Maybe when you guys on the left stop Molotoving 5-over-1's we'll consider it.
That two-stair layout could easily be 3bd, 3bd, 2bd. I'm pro single-stair but this is silly.
You get that all they did read convince ask the studios into larger units and it has nothing to do with single stair, right?
If anything, it shows why yimby obsession with single-stair is weird. Second stairways don't take up a lot of space but adds a layer of redundancy in case of an emergency
I'm all for single stairs but you could put the same left 3-bedroom and bottom 2-bedroom in the upper floor plan and then have a 2-bedroom and studio or even another more oddly shaped 3-bedroom.
Tbf you could combine multiple studio units for larger bar ones now, but that rarely is ever done. I get the spirit though, you get a better rentable/usable ratio.
I thought the idea of YIMBY was that all development should be allowed but it seems to have been twisted into only promoting a specific type of development (high density residential), but only if it looks really nice, oh and only if there’s no parking and a train station
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Why can’t we just have single stair buildings with external fire escapes?
Interestingly enough, Los Angeles seems to be removing the double staircase requirement. Maybe more jurisdictions will do the same.
While 8 bedrooms in 3 nicer units compared to 10 before… you can triple the stories, add an elevator
A nice entertainment/ roof deck
And it’s far nicer place to live
So 10 starter homes for single people or 3 family homes for couples.
Single-stair is excessive. Just put in one elevator and an escape slide I guarantee safer cities and rising birthrates.
The problem with that layout, as a landlord, is that you won't get enough more $ renting out the larger 3 bedroom unit than you do renting out 2 smaller units.
Likewise, the smaller units are key to Affordable Housing supply.
There is genuinely nothing stopping you from doing functionally the exact same thing with the two-stair floor plan you’ve presented.
This is insultingly absurd.if you didn't draw the lines making the above drawing into studios, and got rid of the now uneeded hallway elbow on the right, you'd have the same 3 giant apartments with 2 stairways. Stairways have nothing to do with family oriented apartments. Jesus.
I’m not sure I understand why the 2 stair layout keeps you from having 3 bigger, but slightly smaller than the one stair layout, apartments.
I’m no architect but you can still create 3 apartments from the 2 stairwell layout by cutting down the unnecessary corridor space when studios are combined
But most Anglos prefer to live in houses than family-sized apartments so they’re not necessary outside of some expensive areas
A developer prefers the studios. Seems easier to extract $1500 per studio that $5000 per 3br. It’s all a trap. A local policymaker would prefer 10 ‘units’ per floor over 3. I may be too cynical.
I beg people to understand we need: less units per floor, larger units, all same size, don’t use more than 50% of the land (can use 100% of first floor if commercial), a lot of kids amenities.
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Though I'm sympathetic to the claim, I think the example is not really good. It's very possible to use that double staircase design and produce a similar set of units.
The real issue producing 1-BR units is simply the depth of buildings and lack of windows.
EXCEPT, the family unit is 2x as big as it should be, no loss of units should be accepted.
Same project can be done with two cores, same number of units, and more bedrooms ...
This example throws the pendulum to being overly grand, and leaves heads in the cold.
you could do the same thing by merging the studios and keeping the second stair. show me something with the same number of units getting visibly bigger
Why couldn't there just be a hallway between the to units on the left?
This doesn’t make any fuckin sense you can still obviously fit two 3 bedroom units on the two stairwell floor.
You are comparing apples with oranges. Both arrangement can be made to accommodate small and large unit sizes but the single-staircase design makes it easier to plan better apartments regardless of size.
I think it's the other way around, larger apartments are the way to make this single stair scenario work
I am all in on single-stair buildings, but why is the top one all studios? The four studios to the right of the elevator could be a single large apartment, as could the four to the left of the second stairway. The remaining studios could either stay studios or be a one-bedroom.
People in that 3bed on the left would die 
both 3 beds are big enough to need 2 exits. We can design for families without people burning to death
both 3 beds are big enough to need 2 exits. We can design for families without people burning to death
I’m all for single stair buildings (I live in one) but both these layouts are pretty weird. Also you could still do some floors with more of a corridor to fit more small apartments. You need unit variety too.
Interesting either or. Either we are forced into all cheap studio apartments (not logical based on the layout) or we have big, more expensive units. The landlord's dilemma. I guess it depends on if you want a building of all young/older people or families.
I was trained in architecture and non-construction wise, I support paper ballots. So I don't know how in good conscious I support family development in urban areas, but can't support back-up means of egress for safety purposes.
I like the 2 stair solution, less walls with my neighbors that like to play loud music at 2AM after a pub crawl.
The example makes no sense. You could easily rearrange the first one into a few 2 or 3 bed apartments.
No one solution will fix the housing problem but SES is a step in the right direction.
I'm confused as to why there are not hybrids? Like just combine a couple of studios instead of only making studios?
Or shorter building and you can do away with the elevator and second stairway repaced with exterior stairs
ThI’m bling single stair is ok for two-story buildings, but for more stories you have real issues in an emergency; mass evacuations are problematic, and if there is a stairwell IDs, possibly fatal.
You are out of your mind. This is dangerous. No family dreams of living in this type of housing.
fire reasons or do you not care about the people living there?
the double stairs could have larger rooms as well, it's just they choose to cram as many people as close together as possible to max out their profits.
This is really dishonest. No developer would build that second floorplan, unless you dictate ratios as part of zoning, which developers would absolutely never support.
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In Denver, for example, the studio floorplan (with double stair!) is $14,400/month while the family floorplan is $7,861/month after single-stair.
