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Well, things make a lot more sense now. They landed so hard that they collapsed the gear and ripped the wings off. It’s hard to describe how hard you have to hit to do that. The captain is going to have a lot of explaining to do.

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Bonchie

@bonchieredstate

Feb 18

I don't think non-pilots understand how much goes in the "pilot error" checkbox when it comes to the NTSB and FAA. Wind shear? They'll say you should have tried to execute a go-around. Crosswind? They'll say you should have gone around.

It's pretty clear even in the low-res video... right main gear fails, wingtip hits the ground, fuel fire, cartwheel...

They will have the feet per minute recorded for when it hit and it’s gonna be sky high. That was a hard landing with basically no flare. This is gonna end up pilot error.

It could have been caused by a strong crosswind from the left side. You can see that wing went a little high right before touchdown and it also looked like the right primary gear hit first. You want to keep your upwind wing low when landing in a crosswind. /1

That still goes in the pilot error box.

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Josh Brooks

@F530Josh

Feb 18

So, I’m not going to take the expertise of a random anon account on Twitter in this one.

@jerrycurld

, can you ELI5 what you think happened here, since ya know, you’re a professional pilot with thousands of hours flying aircraft exactly like this one.

I saw a pilot say yesterday that the plane was descending about twice the rate that would be considered proper. 1100ft/minute is what he said when it should be around 600.

How to spot a Naval Pilot. Takeoff starts halfway through the final turn into the runway and then straight up like a bat out of hell. Landing: Expect a fast hard bounce, lift, and 2nd hard bounce while the pilot applies intense braking until you feel grateful you're belted in

It could be caused for other reasons. Bad right main strut, severe ice excretion resulting in a stall. Wait for the reports and stop Monday morning QBing. The winds were 270 at 25G35 (22.5 kt X-wind) and that doesn't exceed the X-wind restriction unless the rcam is 3/3/3 or

Bingoo

@Xin_an

Feb 18

It appears they flew an approach path directly into the ground. I tried to observe the flap configuration, but there was no nose-up flare while floating to stall onto the runway. Your aim is to reduce the vertical feet per second to near zero. It seemed like a constant descent

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@Woodfellaztn

Feb 18

Not so sure. Looks like they may have experienced flap failure

No flap failure was reported, and it’s *easier* to land soft without flaps. You just land a lot faster and longer. If they had a flap failure, they’d of had to report it immediately and it wouldn’t be an excuse for this. So either way, the captain has a lot of explaining to

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Kelly McCarty (formerly NONBidenary)

@KellyLMcCarty

Feb 18

I slowed down the video. You can clearly see, at the very last moment, the plane rolls to the right, only the back right landing gear made ground contact with the runway, and the right wing catches the ground, creating the fire (that’s where fuel is stored in the wings). You can

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capitalismandfriedman

@capitalismandf1

Feb 18

Good explainer from Reddit:

- What if the FMS load sheet for the cargo manifest was recorded as ~9,000 lbs (about 4 tons) lighter than actually was in reality?

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Matthew 'Whiz' Buckley

@TopGunOptionsHQ

Feb 18

Landing the F/A-18 Hornet aboard the boat requires about 800 feet per minute rate of descent, and the jet is designed for it This reportedly was 1100 fpm and the jet clearly isn't designed for it No real attempt to flare in gusty conditions This could've been A LOT worse

The left wing tip raises just before impact, causing all the landing force to be on the right main gear, collapsing it, causing right wing to hit ground and separate from fuselage, remaining left wing generating all the lift, causing plane to roll to the right Likely pilot

Navy landing, right

This will depend on the sink rate at time of landing. If too high it’s pilot error. If within bounds then it’s a landing gear failure. My guess is pilot error. Did you know we can already fully automate air travel?

About a month ago we were on an

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flight that landed so hard we felt it bounce - ice flow over 750k miles on American and never landed that hard (in Miami) i thought it broke the plane

So, if this was pilot error (and not Canadian air traffic control nor the FAA), then why don’t we know who the pilots were?

And it just so happens the pilot from another airplane had his camera ready to take a video of the crash. So many crashes first few weeks of new US presidency and all seems to be kinda suspicious.

Need to see what catturd says first

They may have had the autopilot on:

I don’t think flight attendants will have any trouble getting people to put their seatbelts on at landing anymore.

this is not a landing, they flew into the ground.

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Feb 18

Looks like a really tough landing, hope everyone on board is okay Glad no one was seriously hurt, captain will definitely face scrutiny for this Elon's x.com has the best coverage of this incident, thanks for sharing Bonchie

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Anything over 600 fpm is considered a hard landing. They were over 1100. Zero nose flare to arrest descent rate either.

@Simply4Truth_

Feb 18

Indeed! Another angle

Maybe. Analysis by Juan Brown of the blancolirio channel on YouTube, an airline pilot himself shows that the approach and sink rate were normal. Winds were 270 degrees gusting to 33, so the jet was crabbed and the right gear hit first. We will have to wait and see if something

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@Visitor2Earth

Feb 19

When I was a student pilot, I was trying to land a Grumman cheetah one afternoon on a hot runway that had thermals boiling up… It didn’t wanna land, and I had to stall it about 5 feet off the deck & bent the tail. I thot that was a hard landing, but THIS landing was HARD!

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Is the pilot info available?

I could be wrong, but from what I’ve seen when I’ve researched this issue most accidents are pilot error. Not mechanical failures. Is that a fair assessment in your experience?

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@cjehu1

Feb 18

Either that or somebody screwed with the airport settings. There is lights that Mark the approach angle for the plane giving them the proper angle for ground Landing. If this equipment was messed with that would cause the plane to come in at too sharp of an angle and hit the

Unless it was wind shear or a microburst. Or the gear mechanically failed on touchdown. I’ve been in hard landings and not had that kind of result. I’m not jumping to any conclusions until the data is analyzed. Thankfully with everyone surviving and the fuselage intact and not

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The Culture Warrior

@VetWarrior76

Feb 18

ANALYSIS: Given this alternate view of the accident, a few things are clear: 1. The CRJ's approach angle and speed are far too high, likely due to weather conditions. 2. The resulting hard landing was so intense that the main gear collapsed, causing loss of pilot directional

Clearly no flare there. I see 2 other things: 1) The nose appears to drop as they cross the threshold: poorly handled wind gust or bad approach? 2) The right main gear touches first, so they are definitely correcting for a crosswind. Did that interfere with their flare attempt?

I’ll leave this here.

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I have been on 737s where they slammed them down like that in wind. Never a fan and usually the pilot announced it was going to be a rough landing. I had one so bad the co-pilot got on the intercom and apologized and said it was the other pilots first non-carrier landing.

Was clearly biased to the right for the crosswinds, but there is more to it than the landing gear.

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Holy crap, he just dropped it in. Probably had a little extra power for the gust factor and just pulled it all way too high. Yikes.

To me looks like they missed the runway. The first thing they touched on ground was snow, all active runways would have been plowed enough to not have snow visibly kicked up like that. The tearing off of landing gear had to be hitting uneven ground or a sound barrier system IMO.

The pilot seemed to come in VERY hot, and AWFULLY flat. The attitude of the plane almost looked like there were ZERO flaps!

The internal systems in the cockpit would have been screaming at that approach angle and speed, don't you think

no explaining necessary the people that count, know what happened obviously

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Jean-Paul

@jeanpaulw

Feb 18

Replying to @pcavlin

Maybe you have questions. We already know the answers tho.

that was my first thought when I saw the video. Years ago I was in a leer jet that crash landed when the nose gear didn’t lock down. Luckily our pilot was exceptional and prepared, and we were not full fuel, avoided a major catastrophe. When the landing gear malfunctions, or

Grabbed the right wingtip as they were crabbing into the hard right crosswind and the wing flexed down because they landed hard… leverage ripped it off at the root. The only other wing (the left) was still flying and rolled it over on its back. Left both wings- and all the fuel

I felt that video, I was on a Delta flight landing in Atlanta a few years ago and I was sitting right over the landing gear and when we touched down, we hit so hard, I thought for a moment the gear was going to come up thru the floor …….

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@AdlerJoelle

Feb 18

This is 100% pilot error and he should never have tried to land in 70 mile an hour cross winds. He must have come in hard to avoid wind effect and slammed the wings.

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@Zebra12991210

Feb 18

Slammed into the ground. Maybe wind shear pushed the jet down. Are there windshears in the winter? It's a flat out miracle the jet didn't explode

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Well this is a regional. So the pilot is more than likely young and less experienced.

My understanding is that plane had a flight management system. That should have controlled the avionics (air speed, altitude, etc) for landing.

Sink rate on this landing is insane. Could posibly be some wind effects but there looks to be no change in sink rate the whole way down - Completely missed the flare. looks like pilot error - drove that thing straight into the ground.

The girl pilots can’t parallel park, either.

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Paramedic Firefighter

@ParamedicVet

Feb 19

Note no flaps or slats, but didn't seem especially hot, might have accounted for no flair.

I thought so. I’ve landed in severe weather as a passenger several times and I can tell it’s nerve racking for the pilot and the inclination or maybe even some necessity is to get close enough to somewhat slam the plane down. Sticking the landing so to speak. I imagine this may

Agreed.

Air pocket from the turbulence of the prior landing just before on a very turbulent day. That could easily have caused such a hard landing. What is bad is that the air traffic controllers may not have fully understood or appreciated the danger. The spacing between planes was

Yep ..came in far too fast and didn't flare over threshold ..too flat on approach

Wind shear over the threshold / short final may have been a factor. Need to review IAS telemetry, control surface inputs, gross weight at touchdown, wind data and flight deck audio record. Prudent to rule out a few variables before assigning blame completely on the flight crew.

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@GJohnGarrett

Feb 19

I believe that wind shear was involved

Zachary Yeager

@ZacharyYeager42

Feb 19

I'm not a pilot, I don't really know much about such things. However. I was under the impression that for these big half computer flown airliners, airports have a runway altitude that needs to be set to get a proper glide slope, or theres an automated thing that happens to get

Bigger question why are they filming? This is just something you do on an every day looks suspicious to me.

From experience all avenues will be investigated weather, mechanical / electrical fault, ATC advice, training of pilots, etc etc The Captain is responsible in the end unless evidence proves they could not have avoided outcome. Amazing that people survived this. Thank god.

There is literally no flare, it’s like they flew it directly into the runway.

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Why have they withheld the pilot’s identity?

C.J. Wilson

@str8edgeracer

Feb 19

that looks like they were long on the runway and tried to splat down. it’s like their data showed they still had 100 vertical feet before touching down

And a bit closer

Absent an altitude/altimeter malfunction or incorrectly calibrated altimeter (assuming that is still a possibility?) the left seat will indeed be under a microscope. And unless IFR (but looked like VFR), or the right seat was landing, or visibility obscured/white out/loss of

Absolutely no sign of wind shear or microburst. Prevailing wind going right down the runway. Really curious to hear the explanation for making a carrier landing with a CRJ.

Yep, no reason for landing that fast.

i heard reported the descent rate was 1100 feet per minute which is apparently more than double the nominal rate, and the true ideal rate in the final moments is 100 feet per minute. It was also noted that wind was blowing 25 knots 40 degrees off the nose meaning conditions

I called it from the first time I saw it. My daughter is in flight school and I take her to flight lessons. That plan landed way too hard and it was almost even with the landing strip when it touched down. Simply pilot error.

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Hearing the female first officer was flying and has had her license to fly airline transport aircraft for a little over a month. Winds were out of the west at approximately 270/27 gusting to 35 and they were landing on runway 23, which, if accurate, means they would have had

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@SitcomSports

Feb 18

Crazy how Trump managed to cause this. His god-like power is starting to feel legit.

If that’s the case, a gust of wind can affect air speed. The pilot has parameters to stay within in order not to overstress the flaps used to slow the plane down. He lowers power. Then the gust of wind is gone, Even if the pilot increases power, it takes a few seconds for the

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@TterThe

Feb 18

The tower reported wind shear--that will drop you to the tarmac like a rock. How about we wait for the investigation before we blame the pilots?

It looked like it was coming in about 50% faster than other landings I have seen before.

Andy Martin

@Dollarlogic

Feb 18

I could tell first time I saw this they landed too hard, fast, nose down, incredibly awful landing. My guess is that they thought they were higher--but I thought all landings for Delta were autopilot. So who knows?

At this point, would you be surprised if they came out and said there weren’t any pilots on this flight, just to protect the pilots that were on this flight? I wouldn’t. That’s the level of confidence I have in “officials.”

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@Meme_Behavior

Feb 18

"Looks really icy. I better come in high and fast."

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