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Russell T. Warne 🇺🇸🇨🇱🇮🇱
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I read the legal opinion. Here's what you should know: ➡️TikTok lost almost every single argument it made. ➡️This is a 9-0 ruling. That sends a resounding message. ➡️TikTok's data collection practices are insane. The app gather data that other apps normally consider off limits, including the content of users' private messages, and the full contents of a user's device contacts. ➡️It's the last part that concerned the SCOTUS justices the most. If you have an email contact who has a TikTok account, China has your name, email, and possibly your phone number, photo, and more. ➡️Chinese law requires its social media companies (including TikTok and its parent company, ByteDance) to "assist or cooperate" with the Chinese government's "intelligence work" and to ensure that the Chinese government has "the power to access and control private data." ➡️Congress and the FBI worry that this info (and more) could be used for espionage or to compile blackmail dossiers on elected officials or government employees. All 9 SCOTUS justices agree that the need to prevent espionage overrules any First Amendment concerns. ➡️You should have stopped watching those stupid dancing videos months ago.
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Russell T. Warne 🇺🇸🇨🇱🇮🇱
@Russwarne
Thanks to all who shared this. The summary of the SCOTUS's TikTok decision is my 1st tweet ever to hit 1 million views. If you don't know who I am, let me introduce myself: I'm a former psychology professor and an expert on intelligence. Check out my book about IQ, written for
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Sharon/Trilingual 🇹🇼 🇯🇵 🇺🇲
@nthusharon
So this means if I was disciplined enough to never have downloaded Tiktok, if a friend of mine who uses Tiktok took a photo with me & has my email/phone, China has this info? Ugh😡
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Mitch Lafon
@mitchlafon
So, even though I never signed up or used Tik Tok… it has some of my data (via contacts) from my friends that use it? That’s wild… and completely ridiculous.
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Nick McLarty
@NickMcLartyFL
From the cyber perspective, the fact they have your contacts isn’t what concerns me. It’s that they create a network map of everyone’s contacts to the point where once they have a target, they know exactly how to exploit that person’s connections to reach the target.
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Tony Kulla
@tonykulla32
Beyond the data collection… I’m a high school teacher. TikTok has had a negative effect on my current students. What they see as acceptable behavior is so far away from previous generations it’s scary. It’s changed drastically in the last five years.
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MoshangUSA
@MoshangUsa
Compared to another CCP app, WeChat, TikTok is child’s play.
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Woll Street
@paulwoll
Also your last comment is a gross misunderstanding of what content is on tiktok and how people use it.
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TheOneAndOnlyDunkirk
@one_dunkirk
Literally every other app in the world does all of this as well, including and especially Facebook and Twitter. I interpret this whole sordid story to mean that the Feds have no backdoor into ByteDance's server farms, and are just pissed off about it.
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Big12 Mafia
@B12Mafia
Before freaking out about “freedom of speech” arguments, please take a look at the opinions and the voting related to the actual law. I’m not advocating any particular angle, just asking everyone to become informed - stop reading the headlines only - and then judge
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A Lynn
@Lynn69619494A
I did but some friends and family didn’t even though I told them they should. Sucks the data gathering was so invasive.
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Virriman
@Virriman
Yep the same playbook as tin pot authoritarians the world over. Must protect the people from malign foreign influence and shut down foreign controlled organizations due to unsubstantiated allegations of espionage. But we’re different! Our concerns are genuine! And look it’s not
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Alex
@detachmo
What free speech does China have in the United States? Is it naive to think the US Constitution primarily applies to interventions the federal government may take with U.S. citizens?
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Firelord Derpy
@FirelordDerpy
How has no one made “America Tok” that’s the exact same thing but hosted in America? People are just swapping to a different Chinese app now
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Halos Hell
@HalosHell
The point of preventing espionage justifies 1st amendment violation is what we call a slippery slope and will undoubtedly be used in the future to wrestle control of other companies that the government can't control (i.e. X)
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Remixedcat the catgod 💎😺🌌🎶
@remixedcat
what about temu? it's more of a threat since it's undermining small biz in the USA in addition to collecting more data and selling toxic products that are literally physically harming US citizens!
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CHIAZA
@chiazaokoli
Never used the app. Tiktok is a brainrot platform that deletes brain cells and reduces IQ while giving every clown an audience. The world would be better off without it.
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Turdla
@Testurdla
Of course it collects private messages. Just like X. How the fuck would it goes to the other user. Man you have small brain. This isn't signal where it's peer to peer. It's a centralize server. No wonder US is losing th tech race.
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von donks
@donkeyweezil
It would stop training kids to do stupid shit like eating laundry pods for likes. That should be enough.
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cool
@mericancoolguy
great thread except the stupid dance comment. shows a complete lack of understanding of what people use that app for. and it’s not their fault for taking an opportunity to grow their business or express themselves; their government let them down.
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The Sentient Dog Group
@e_considine
Why does Apple and Google's app stores allow an app that goes through users contacts/emails/messages outside of apps that are designed for that purpose (i.e. an email or messaging client)?
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Mack Crawford
@brickmack
If the issue is privacy, why not simply mandate that Google and Apple deny access to that data? Android and iOS both have permissions systems where the OS controls what an app is allowed to access. Just add a rule blocking TikTok from contacts, GPS, anything not strictly needed
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BH
@billyhu6
So if the phone OS can’t protect a users contact book from this type of data harvesting, are we taking it on good faith that other apps don’t harvest this data? Once you grant permission, is it just trust in the app maker that users are relying on?
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Paul Bailey
@paulbailey
I fully expect any app that I explicitly give access to my contacts to do this. I don’t think TikTok is unusual here, is it? (It’s awful how so many apps keep nagging you to enable “contact syncing” if you deny the request, I will say that.)
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Christian Parkes
@parkes_c92
I’m a little surprised an American or Western European techie hasn’t made a near-clone of it. RedNote (the app some are moving to) is even scarier - it’s openly Chinese
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It's an Old Fashioned take
@djdev23
Not just that, all of this can also be used to spread targeted propaganda and a lot of folks are unaware of the same. You know the algorithm works that way.
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Benasaur
@benjikuo
Legal opinions of this sort is just poli sci majors turned lawyers discussing technology they neither know nor understand. Have seen way too many patent cases.
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Agboola S 🇳🇬
@SodiqAgb
Yea, obviously like US don’t have same power over FB & other big tech? They scared another country has same power to do what they do. We only heard about election interference of FB because it affected Americans, the ones done that affects other countries are done repeatedly.
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justin alpert 🇺🇸🇺🇦🇬🇪🇹🇼
@JustinAlpert
One other item. The government has a permanent position on Bytedance's. So the government has direct say in how the business is run and what it's organizational goals are.
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Bryan
@Bryan805
I was unde the assumption that
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wouldn’t allow apps to take users data. What other apps on thier platform are doing this?
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g
@yeaimman
i don’t care if they do that. it should be my choice what i get to watch.
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Robert Garritty
@GarrittyOf
It's concerning. To be clear, though, ingesting a user's full contact database has been a common pattern on all American social apps, too. I would think the Chinese government, like the US government, has breached those datasources as well.
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OstrichFarm
@KaleChip05
I didn’t see anything different from most other apps besides our elites don’t own the censoring for it lol
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Karolína Muchová Fan Club
@irvineghost20
Wait can you expand on this part? So they have info on people who aren't even TikTok users? "If you have an email contact who has a TikTok account, China has your name, email, and possibly your phone number, photo, and more"
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mickyd
@mickyd123us
I'm just as concerned that Elon has my data and could turn it in to the new "retribution" department. Any comments on that?
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Springtime of Nations
@CharlesHenryLe3
Goes to show that America's commitment to "freedom" was always conditional on its dominance. Which is no freedom at all, it's the age-old story of power pretending to be principle.
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Sally, that girl.
@MarieReere66326
I had an ad play on TikTok that showed me things I bought in Walmart but had scanned with my phone to check the price, but I bought it with my debit card at regular check out.
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𝕏avier
@XavierExteberri
“All 9 SCOTUS justices agree that the need to prevent espionage overrules any First Amendment concerns.” Good bye 1st amendment. It was nice to have met you. Now government can use fear of “espionage” to shut people up.
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Roxy Orcutt
@Halloween_Honey
But why not let people make their own decision if they want to use the app or not? Seems a little government overstepping to me….
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Enoch Leng
@Pendergast891
Wait, if i emailed/texted someone and they're the ones with tiktok installed on their device, MY data was harvested too?
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Erika
@ZwolfRosen
noel j francisco definitely made some good points i wouldnt say they lost every single argument
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Matt in Wixom ⬆️
@MattyB187
The US Government could have shut down TikTok under the Espionage Act, but they let Congress pass this bill to make it air tight and to give them a chance, and we STILL ended up with a Unanimous Supreme court decision
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Dave A
@Lingonkiwi
"All 9 SCOTUS justices agree that the need to prevent espionage overrules any First Amendment concerns." I didn't see the part of the Constitution that says "But none of this applies when you are scared of the bad men."
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Stellanation
@gumgardener13
Easy to say you should have stopped. And your wife is laughing since she never had an account. Good for you/her! But hard to stop **anyone you know** from giving them your phone, email, birthday, address, etc.
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🦎MR🌴
@MonteRysavy
Numerous companies have already been hacked and your data has long been compromised well before TikTok. This is all about the feds wanting control not about users giving data to a Chinese company. If they cared they’d have banned others like Temu too.
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Øri Steiner
@Ori_Steiner
Spot on. The same is true for a myriad of 🇨🇳 products & services; cars, cleaning robots, phones, apps, smart TVs, network devices - you name it. If it's 🇨🇳 & has access to your phone, home, office, car etc. - it's stealing your data for nefarious reasons. Buy anything but Chinese
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zkorn2 🎗
@zkorn2
And most importantly, TikTok would still be operating if ByteDance sold it to an American owner.
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Meme Wrangler
@PacingHipShoot
Um lol? Literally every social media app does all of this (you're very wrong). I guess the Chinese govt is foreign, but plenty of apps are made by people in other countries. And anyone on Earth (including in America) can use this private info against you. Users gave up long ago.
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skylarS
@skylarS28655804
"TikTok's data collection practices are insane", as is facebook messenger, yet not a word on ever removing that!
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Seal of the Apocalypse
@SealOfTheEnd
>Chinese law requires its social media companies (including TikTok and its parent company, ByteDance) to "assist or cooperate" We know American law doesn't require this but they blackmailed antivirus companies to ignore gov't trojans. It's not that exceptional.
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Overangels
@Overangels1
And many TikTokards still yell USA bad China good. They are these leftards who open their arms to let the monkeys gang bang their holes.
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Jusmar
@Drjusmar
We need a national data privacy law based around protection of our citizens from *anyone*, foreign or domestic.
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