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Tim Worstall

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Oh. Well, this is tricky for that argument, isn't it?

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any other leader would be 20 points ahead

@anyotherleader1

Jul 4

Do Americsns prefer having 150 flavours of ice cream to not dying of a brain tumour because of medical bills? What a strange country x.com/KyleMau/status…

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Tim

@shoottheducks

19h

One of the arguments is that cancer patients don't get diagnosed in the US because of the crippling costs and knock on issues if you have a diagnosis (and yes, I know that's fucked up). So this needs to be looked at per capita.

Sure. My only pushback is that yes, I know the US system is not something to copy. But it's not, in fact, terrible.

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J. Whitebread

@JWhitebread1

Yet again, socialists see choice as waste. This is absurd. More choice means more economic activity, more wealth and resources, not less. No one is dying of brain tumors because we have too many flavors of ice cream. There is however a direct correlation between choice and

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The Gaslighter General

@complience

17h

It doesn't show them not dying from cancer, it shows them expensively screening everyone for cancer.

Yet, strangely,…

Imagine what it is for Americans of Danish or Norwegian descent…

Have they accounted for the possibility that the best performers here simply spot it earlier without actually having superior treatment?

I was gonna flame him OP in the replies, but saw the ratios and realized the homies had already done the Lord's work

Turkey in the top 5 is crazy. I only know people go there for hair implants... What other secrets they have going on over there?

If the data fits your narrative, then it's legit, if it doesn't, then it's faulty. Why bother.

Its not just brain cancer, the OECD comparison table for medically preventable mortality is interesting( and yes its per 100k so already adjusted for population. statista.com/statistics/128

NHS best in the world the Government and the BBC told me so

There is always a Scandinavian nation above the USA but the nation keeps changing so that only 1 or 2 of them are better than the USA at a time. But they are no individually better over any length of time.

Richard Lyonn

@RichardLyonn

16h

Cherry-picked bullshit. US *total* early mortality is far higher than in Europe. Healthcare works for those who can afford it. The rest die early.

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Mortality Trends Among Early Adults in the United States, 1999-2023

This cross-sectional study examines trends in mortality rates among adults aged 25 to 44 years across the pre–COVID-19 pandemic, pandemic, and postpandemic periods.

30% for Canada vs. 36% for the U. S. means 1,560 extra people diagnosed with brain cancer live for five years. And in exchange, 3 million people have medical debt over $10,000 and 380,000 declare bankruptcy each year with medical bills a major or sole reason. That’s a lot of

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Waffle House Falkreath

@jarlbillclinton

14h

oh look. the social democrats are doing better than america. what a surprise.

We can have our brain cancer treatment and ice cream at the same time!

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𒊓𒅂𒁓𒐗𒐕𒐗 Steve the skeptic

@sib313

19h

5-year survival is not a good metric for the quality of care. It is a better metric for detection, but earlier detection does not correlate well with mortality from the condition.

Many of those "survivors" were misdiagnosed in the first place. They never had it. Real survival is much lower. Less than 5%

The Nybbler

@The_Nybbler

16h

Both Norway and Denmark have great variety in ice cream, too.

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Aaron Kinney

@aaron_kinney

Even better: when looking at all cancers combined, the US is #1 in cancer survival rates.

Washington’s Heir

@VFM0168

12h

Basically this looks like there is an upper limit and the rest is luck

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Phoenix44

@Phoenix4419

How is brain cancer caused by the number of flavors of ice cream you have?

And the UK almost scraping the barrel

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Lee McClymont

@LeeMcClymont

They getting brain cancer from the flavourings so they need a good way to treat it.

Sandra Hope

@spanishblueye

17h

There's 350 million people in the US, divide the percentage by 5, do the maths, 70 million here. Real term cuts in the NHS has to be admitted to also.

How do diagnosis rates affect these figures. I presume higher diagnosis leads to lower known survival rates.

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