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People unwilling to change self-purging is probably the best outcome for everyone.

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Samantha J. Gross

@samanthajgross

Nov 8

Scooplet: Congressman Seth Moulton's campaign manager and PAC director confirms he resigned after comments the Salem Democrat made about transgender athletes in the NYT on Thursday. #mapoli bostonglobe.com/2024/11/08/met

8:10 AM · Nov 9, 2024

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flugene

@FlugeneDebs

Nov 9

Democrats definitely need to be more bigoted. That’s the Yglesias way.

Helen Lewis

@helenlewis

Nov 9

How do you undo the nightmare situation where leftwing groups directly financially benefit from the right being in power and doing awful things, and financially lose out from the Democrats being in power and doing moderate things?

At least one Salem councilor called on Moulton to resign over the comment

Democrats will soon be wedged on trans privilege. Will they continue to push for the demands of trans at the cost of power? Doubtful, but might take 3 election losses to realize it.

I find it uncharacteristic that you aren’t able to distinguish an Obama/civil unions-style moderate message on this (I trust the governing body of The Wolverines and Buckeyes as experts) and Moulton’s mask-off bigotry framing (trans women are men [trans women don’t exist]).

I struggle with this. I think this issue is so blown out of proportion it's ridiculous. I also understand why the father of a daughter might feel a certain way. Somehow dems have to support the trans community while also sounding reasonable.

seems to me whether it be this scenario or the amount of people who ran to threads that there's certain people who legit can not handle hearing anything that challenges their beliefs and may even contribute to the swing to the right on here

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@kgilnack.bsky.social (Kevin B. Gilnack)

@kgilnack

Nov 9

IMO, Dems are better off w more people who stand by their values and aren't knee jerk reactionaries. But alas the pundit class thrives on being reactionaries

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@IserlohnF

Nov 9

The problem is if they throw trans people under the bus, they lose a lot of their young volunteers and donors, and have to switch to the GOP strategy of paid mercenaries. Plus billionaire donors disproportionally have trans kids. An unenviable bind to be in.

Running against Mr. Rogers. Good luck with that.

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Planet Of Memes

@PlanetOfMemes

Nov 7

We are ao back.

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Embarrasing that he felt pressure to resign over something that should be the Democrat party position. Persons born men should have their own division or play with the boys.

Continuing to hold religious fervor for transgender nonsense and shunning everyone that slightly disagrees is a fantastic strategy to win elections. So definitely keep doing it.

Holding the line at “the government shouldn’t discriminate against trans children” is good, actually. I’m fine with less heckling or name calling, but the level of hate leveled at trans kids is insane and these kids deserve SOME protection.

Yeah, if you can't become more bigoted, it's better you drop out. You guys are on the right and winning side of history for sure

"we gotta get more racist" etc etc

I believe in recent polling 85% of Americans did not approve of a biological male who transitioned to female should compete against their daughters. Not exactly a controversial take. If Dems wanna die on that hill they will lose a lot of elections 🤷‍♂️

Realistically Trump is going to impose a bunch of mean spirited anti-trans policy which is going to spark a backlash and thermostatic counterreaction and both mods and progs are gonna end up assailing him for it

The problem with giving in on any culture war battle against the right is they just make up a new one tomorrow. Worry more about what makes people want to vote for you.

It was questionable as a hot take and irresponsible as a campaign professional.

Do you think he could’ve found a better way to make his (reasonable) point?

Tony Evers and Andy Beshear both vetoed trans-hating legislation, and they’re popular as hell. Maybe Seth Moulton just sucks?

Campaigns and political staffs need armies of ideological young people willing to put in crazy hours for little pay. Are there people like that who are also willing to permit the politicians they work for to moderate on cultural issues?

The resignation aside and whether the comment warranted it, do you agree with Moulton's comment?

Yeah you need more staff like the ones running Kamala’s campaign. For all the winning they did.

He resigned over stating something that 85% of the US believes.

So...you're ok with What Moulton said?

People self-purging because they won't accede to Queer theory struggle sessions is good? What people don't seem to understand, everyone gets struggled eventually.

The Book Viking

@thebookviking

Nov 9

lol gonna be lit in 2026 when Democrats take back Congress and all commentariat now will absolutely say nothing about the GOP being unwilling to change

Moulton is signaling to transphobes and that's obvious to everyone, but he's also being an idiot. Republicans support extreme measures against trans people. He's accepting their framing instead of taking the fight to them. It's loser behavior

waks

@waksmaina

Nov 9

This is not a binary issue. No one is saying that Dems should abandon trans rights issues. All we are saying is can we moderate a bit and let some issues develop organically? For example, do we have to insist on boys in girls sports?

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Saul Aliasky (he/him/his)

@saulvents

Nov 10

"Change" is wonderfully ambiguous. Queerphobia isn't a change in our society, it's fundamental. On the other hand, over-willingness to change one's principles indicates not having any (except power).

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Dems should think hard about what might be in store for trans people under Trump before they lean into publicly abandoning them for political capital. We're not even close to an election nor is there a vote or anything on the table so it's not even politically expedient.

I do hope someone someday gets to study that deliciously stupid brain of yours

Wally

@soulfulshrimp

Nov 9

Yup. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out

Zero Anaphora

@zeroanaphora

Nov 9

amber the science gal

@amberthescienc1

Nov 10

People leaving the party in droves whats the solution? Oh I know throw another minority group under the bus The whole reason the border issue was effective this time was Ds completely conceding the issue to Rs People remember “no human is illegal” just 4 years ago

Nordstream Rack

@IrateMaxwell

Nov 9

If you hate trans people this much, the Republican party is right there to welcome you

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a buried lede - @owlswatch.bsky

@WesternSentinel

Nov 9

Transphobes have no place here

this is silly

Change our minds on human rights?

Not Enough Slices

@NotEnoughSlices

Nov 9

"Wow, that pot is really black!"

I thought self-purging was more what one did at Roman parties

If this was such a winning argument why didn't it work

self defeating for a political party to put purification above growth. luckily the leadership knows this. white progressives, only some of them do.

Staff should either fall inline or resign.

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@thominyourside

Nov 9

you should “self-purge”, man.

Yung Vértér

@idiot_drug_hive

Nov 9

matt i just want you to know that if you came up to me in the streets and said *anything* at all, I'd burst out laughing you have a clown's face, the face of a clown.

Brent

@Brent83539413

Nov 9

Matt, our best hope is that a few pro-life Republicans win elections going forward while still believing in Social Security and Medicare. Stop being more optimistic than that. It's Vance Republicans vs. Libertarian Republicans. Stop kidding yourself.

Dems need to standup to the cancel culture "religious" orthodoxy power play of the left. The whole microaggression, cancel culture, mis/dis/malinformation thought/speech policing of the left is an authoritarian social control move and the voters screamed

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If so, why are you still here

The Instacart Strangler

@CVM_S3RP3NT0R

Nov 9

Don’t forget, I’ll be at your house on January 21st

John Score

@JScoreForever

Nov 9

There were a lot of people a week ago wondering why Trump was spending so much money on anti-trans ads instead of economy ads. It's because the left has gone way too far on trans rights issues, and the voters don't like it. That's why.

Oh buddy I don't think you understand who is the one self-purging here.

michael

@My3rdAugustine

Nov 9

like how you self-purged when you were asked to clean your own dishes you fucking pig

Diana_Wilde

@DianaWilde95

Nov 9

You're on the wrong side, bigot.

Self purging is change dumbass

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Mr. Property Brothers, tear down this wall!

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Looks like we’ll be winning elections for the immediate future. Love how you freaks are eating each other up. #Delish

And in your increasingly worthless and embarrassing opinion, it’s the people willing to protect trans rights that should self-purge from the dem party? Jesus Christ man, log the fuck off.

Gaijin Tarento

@PoangVsRoomba

Nov 9

This is why the trans issue is so fundamental to Harris's loss; it causes even normally sensible Dems like Yglesias to believe things about human sex that are completely divorced from reality

xoundmind

@xoundmind

Nov 10

People are tired of this nonsense and Democrats are apparently too stupid to figure that out.

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