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murdarch
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Replying to @AlecStapp and @NathanpmYoung
When I was a fed weโd open requisitions in the middle of the night with a cap of 50 applicants; after tipping preferred candidates.
Itโs the only way to evade the barrage of completely unqualified preference candidates. OPM makes it impossible to reject them.
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The real solution is to give our institutions the confidence that they won't be fired or used every time they make a mistake. Later in this piece, she makes the key point - we over index process to avoid judgment, bc judgment gets second guessed while following process doesn't.
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Can confirm. I got an offer at the SBA just from my application. No interview. It was so simple I thought I was getting phished when I got the email.
Municipal and state hiring processes are equally/more flawed, and can take years.
When I was a fed weโd open requisitions in the middle of the night with a cap of 50 applicants; after tipping preferred candidates.
Itโs the only way to evade the barrage of completely unqualified preference candidates. OPM makes it impossible to reject them.
This is just the process to get in front of the hiring manager. Often times 10-20 candidates are interviewed and 0 are selected if they don't have any actual merit, and it gets kicked back to HR. Trust me on this.
I have friends who work for the government and I know Iโm insulting them. But it showsโฆThey are good at working the system.
it takes six months. No joke. i'd love to see ideas for how they're gonna fix this. Got any?
The federal hiring process is frustratingly slow and complex, with lots of red tape and lengthy procedures. It for sure feels like it focuses more on bureaucracy than on efficiency.
The first part is standard for most larger companies these days, except they use ai. If you aren't copy pasting the job description for the job you want, you're ngmi.
I used to do it for the DOD; my husband still does. EVERYTHING they do is insane.
Is this news to people? Not just the government does this. Government contractors do as well. So do many corporations.
Iโm not even sure how I would approach the government for a job relevant to my skills / experience?
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100%. I'm a veteran (disabled to boot) & I think veteran preferences are very misguided. We shouldn't treat the civil service as a jobs program or a reward.
Iโm not sure why โfairnessโ is such an important aspect of govโt hiring.
At the end of the day, shouldnโt โteams that are likable and work well together towards deliverablesโ be the primary goal?
Esp when public sector jobs earn, what 20โ70% of an equivalent private-sector one
I spent over 30 years dealing with the military and civilian hiring process. Nepotism is real. For example, many of the โSenior Leadersโ for Air Force Research Laboratories- which should be competitive across the country- graduated from local Beavercreek high school 30 years
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It's true.
I've paid professional resume writers who shape the resume to the position requirements. The resume process for the fed is to cull exact matches.
Step 1 : Resume KSA matched job requirements
Step 2 : Describe each matching KSA in detail with a scenario that
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Can confirm. All fed jobs do the process and the same interview style.
Oh most Federal managers know how to subvert the systemโmostly legallyโto hire who they want.
I once had a manager (this WAS illegal) ask for a copy of my CV to help them craft a job announcement to my skill set.
But the delays and silliness do drive away talent.
private sector employers do exactly the same things...except with an added schmear of nepotism
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The purpose is to reduce nepotism with some (obviously flawed) standards. Government managers often/usually have no incentive to hire on merit.
God damn the government needs
Literally listen to applicants answer the burning questions up front through their voice.
Gets rid of spam
Focus on merit and authenticity
And letโs see and listen to who is actually a master in what they do.
This is "systems people" doing exactly what you'd expect. This is the terminal phase of organizations.
Then go through all the interviews, told your hired, wait for more info to move forward, then you see it reposted, omfg. But once you're in you will not be fired, just moved around, its amazing they don't fire even with a paper trail! I've seen it and experienced it.
Is that why I have never gotten a Federal job? I was honest and didn't put Master for every question?
somehow theyโve figured out how to add even more noise to the hiring process.
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I went through this twice with a job in aviation that I was completely qualified for. Answered the self assessment honestly; that I was competent/didnโt need supervision in a few of the tasks they asked about, and master of or very competent in others. Didnโt get a call back.
This is not accurate. I'm a federal manager who hires. I personally review ALL resumes and choose best 5-6 (and I look for cut-paste stuff from the job announcement). I hand the resumes to a panel for interviews. I interview the top two and hire one. It's the standard process.
For any government jobs, municipal, county, state and federal. To get hired as a city library aide my ex had 3 interviews for a $10/hr job.
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Um, usajob actually disqualifies a ton of folks that are qualified for jobs. How about fix usajobs and itโs automation. The request for certain jobs in specific areas doesnt even work right. And it hasnt since about 2011.
thats not really how it works. what happens is people either get hired directly via direct hire authorities but that's only available for select positions like cyber, etc..
If its a normal posting, they have to make the cert by cutting and pasting keywords, they self assess as
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The next job I apply for Iโm just copy pasting and using chat gpt. Iโm curious what response I get.
Interesting that they mention programming interviews, which are the worst interviews in the universe.
I hope I never again have to do another 90-minute, live-coding interview, followed by a multi-day, take-home project, followed by a system-design whiteboard interview.
Awful.
I was part of the hiring process in the federal government. Specifically for civilian DoD jobs. This is literally what happens. Commanders get bullets if they higher a lot of people really fast so they often donโt care about quality at all. We had 30 developers on a 2 person
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