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The Big Short popularized the idea that giving mortgages to low income people was evil and caused the recession. Just all around very damaging for housing and homeownership
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Kevin Erdmann
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In 2008, federal agencies cut about 15 million families out of the traditional mortgage market, and as a result low tier rent across cities has accumulated 40%+ inflation, devastating families with lower incomes in every city. 2/
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I got the opposite impression. That big banks exploited people with over-intellectualized phony financial instruments.
This is the narrative Erdmann pushes back on. They were not "predatory mortgages" by and large, and the post GFC tightening of credit to low income people both got rid of legitimate predatory loans and perfectly fine loans.
I mean 08 was in large part caused by giving mortgages to unqualified low income people who couldn’t put enough down.
If that was your takeaway from "The Big Short", you need a bigger brain... The movie showcased how banks preyed on low income people to give them mortgages that they couldn't possibly pay and didn't need, so they could package these instruments with good mortgages and turn them
No one with those mortgages depicted in the movie was poor. The real estate agent drives through what appears to be a middle class/upper middle class neighborhood
People just don't broadly understand that the mortgage issuance "fixes" extended way beyond just sub-prime mortgages.
Idk man, in the movie I don’t think the bad loans are portrayed to be owned by low-income families, but instead by bad faith actors who loaded up on assets they could not afford. The low income family I remember was paying their rent while the landlord stopped paying
There were a Lot of bad home loans getting made, not just to people with no steady income but also to speculators, and the Big Short showed why that’s always bad
subprime does not have to mean poor but in the end that’s the majority of those who are subprime. its not good for poor people or wealthy people that the government and banks allow massive spending beyond their means to make a quick buck
The Big Short came out in 2015 when all these policies were set in stone and seen by a tiny % of the population. Nice to think of a film having such a huge impact on the world, but it didn’t.
That’s not what I took from that at all. I think they specifically focused on the fact that mortgages were given to irresponsible people who shouldn’t have had them.
Steve Carrel’s character has a like in the movie specifically addressing this where he says nobody will admit what caused the problem but instead blame it on immigrants and poor people
No, it showed how irresponsible banks were in handing out mortgages to risky borrowers so they could inflate their sales.
i mean, ive watched it several times over the years and that feels like a different way to frame it, giving loans to people who couldn't afford them put everyone at risk. Nowadays more & more people are taking out all kinds of loans and saddling with more debt than ever.
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Perhaps I need to rewatch the movie but I thought it more so depicted banks letting people with their first taste of money get in way over their heads like in that one scene doesn’t that stripper have like three properties.
a key part of Erdmann’s thought is that mortgagees in the mid ‘00s were no more riskier than borrowers in the ‘90s—the whole narrative is simply fake
It's not evil, per se, but if the banks know they will be bailed out for writing bad loans you will inevitably end up with a house of cards. Tighter lending requirements also bring down house prices, which is good.
That’s…not at all what The Big Short described or popularized. Did you check your phone a few too many times during the movie?
Despite if you stayed and was able to ride out the storm, you won. But what did you win if nobody is paying attention in 2025. Its all smoke and mirrors today. Including the evidence destroyed. And that is just another day in America.
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