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Gazans: "We want to live in peace and have a normal life"
Western leftists: "SHUT UP! FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA! 
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"Gazans: "Please we are dying in this war, we just want to live."
Western leftists: "THERE IS NO OTHER SOLUTION, INTIFADA REVOLUTION!!"
Thousands of "regular" Gazans participated in the October 7th attacks
I'm very suspicious these numbers
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This was an AWRAD poll too, from November 2023. This would be such a huge discrepancy. Other polls did not include the "from-the-river-to-the-sea" answer and came out with the two-state solution on top. I remain very sceptical.
There has been a shift.
But I think there was also manipulation and intimidation by Hamas.
While I am heartened at the possibility of a moderate Palestinian faction, I do not see any possibility (nor do I think it is a good idea) of a two-state "solution" anymore.
If there is going to be a moderate Palestinian faction, they have to be able to achieve something.
Do feel this is real? I feel most Palestinians do not support 2 state solution
West Bank and diaspora are different, but Gazans actually know what it is like to live under Hamas' "intifada revolution".
It is the difference between Soviet peoples who suffered under Stalin vs Western leftists who idealise Stalin.
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The whole Fakestinian idea since 1967 has been to wipe out Israel. Enough with the lies John. That was and is still the only goal of this non-state idea called Fakestine and you know it.
Not for me or any of my supporters.
We want to live together with our Israeli brothers and sisters as normal humans and build things instead of fight.
Right now, considering these results from Gaza, I doubt any population in the region is as enthusiastic about a 2-state solution.
That's good news! We should take advantage.
At what terms?
Bibi supports a two state solution too, on his terms, which are not as generous as Barak or Olmert proposals, probably not as generous as trump's plan and, and even if Yair Golan is the next prime minister, and I'll vote for him, the terms are changed.
We should be ready to negotiate with anyone.
Yes, I hope Yair Golan and not Bibi. Fine. But we meet in the middle and make an agreement.
Not like this.
I have a great doubt over the polling numbers before the war as there is evidence Hamas were manipulating it.
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Yeah it wasn't 70 80% that support hamas. That was bs
Dear John, I can only hope that this poll is reliable, because its findings are very encouraging. Too encouraging to trust at this point, but still promising.
Could it be that many of the Gazans who cheered 7/10 have changed their minds so dramatically during the last horrible
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John, there are several things that make me a bit suspicious:
1. The respondents were asked about their preferred solution "to end the current crisis", not about a long term solution. So the question remains whether those who support it view the two-state solution as a final
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The type of two-state solution matters significantly, as I'm sure you're aware. If Gazans support a two-state solution that includes the right of return for all Palestinian refugees to their ancestral homes in Israel, then Israelis will still see them as hostile to Israel.
The question is whether those who responded 2SS understand that there would be no “right of return” to Israel. I don’t know if the question was asked but I know that the answer is no.
Reminds me in 1947 with the UN partition plan, Netanyahu’s father, living in the US, published an article objecting to declaring the state of Israel on some of the land, while the Jews of the Yeshuv and Ben Gurion said it’s better to give up part of the land so we can have a
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They had a two state solution. They have been given a two state solution 5 times in 78 years …
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The moment Israel left however, Gazans brought to power Hamas.
And since then Hamas took over education of the new generation of Gazans.
Who, when and how conducts these polls?
Well, sometimes reality has a way of changing things. They just got one year of what “from the river to the sea” looks like in reality. You get friendly statements from UN officials while living in tents. You can celebrate Sinwar, but look what he wrought.
I have never seen numbers like this. It's a reverse of what it looked like for at least the first 8 months of the war. If it's real, there is a possibility of peace with the Palestinians after all. They just need the right leadership (and the removal of UNRWA.)
Gazans are way more moderate than British/American student protests!
What about the fact that post sinwar's death, Palestinians who offered to provide intel on the whereabouts of the hostages were offered amnesty, and it has been just crickets?
It would be great if that were true but i'm really really suspicious.
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A one state solution is just euphemism for the annihilation of Israel, but still encouraging.
Unfortunately, it’s the 9% that has the Iranian backed funding and are fueling the unrest on college campuses
Agreed. But at the same time Israel’s never been allowed to try what the Allies did to Germany and Japan to the Arab states. Jordan and Egypt got beat the worst, and I don’t think coincidentally they’re the two countries with the longest lasting (imperfect) peace deals.
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62% want to live lives and stop endless wars that they can’t win. Makes sense. But on Oct 7,2023 there were 100% of Gazans dancing in the streets and celebrating. If the Gazans thought Hamas could win, they’d be back to that 100%.
Need a more respected and reliable source or multiple ones to back this one up.
That's because they don't have to deal with the consequences that are popping the palestinians' bubble as we speak
Different polls, different outcome. Do not take this for granted. Palestinians had a de facto state in Gaza, Hamas was elected, and look what happened. Not that simple.
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The survey is missing the most important question
Do you recognize Israel's right to exist?
I sincerely hope so.
If this is representative, then peace is not only possible, but with creative input, tangibly achievable.
WB can have a separate agreement.
Yeah but to be honest, that’s not the way they thought before the war.
I wonder what convinced them.
Maybe this…
It's hard to know what to believe with these polls -- both those like this that show support for peace, but also the earlier ones that seemed to show so much support for Hamas and October 7th.
What you did not include is a breakdown of the Palestinians being polled. So for those who don't already know this.
For the purpose of this post, I am going to oversimplify - a lot.
We have 3 basic groups:
1. Gazans (living in Gaza)
2. Judea and Samaria (or the West Bank)
3.
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I'd like to know if this is accurate and has this recently changed? Their leadership has been turning down that option for generations. Is it only radical leadership or have things changed? Or is this inaccurate/temporary?
Sorry, John, but my experience in activist groups is that they are also reasonable. The solution is for Palestinians to have a say in the resolution, not British and American students. Meanwhile, Israel is slaughtering Palestinians daily and clearly not interested in a peace
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These statistics are highly surprising, almost to the point of not being believable. Are they?
I remember the poll where 75% of Gazans supported this. They're not getting a state.
Total BS. Every poll, including those run by Palestinians, has Gazans at approx. 80% in favour of one thing only.
No Jews, just Palestinians.
No Israel, just Palestine.
Then the “moderate” Gazans need to work with the IDF to get destroy Hamas and locate the hostages. Actions speak loader than words.
Why didn’t you say Israelis? Why try and clown on students who are protesting a live streamed genocide? I bet if you polled Israelis the numbers would drop immensely
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I don't know if this has been pointed out in the comments, but with what confidence should we consider this shift from majority population supporting FTRTTS in Nov '23 polls (and before) -- let's call that self-determination -- to now 2SS, in the context of a genocide? When
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They are very aware that it's not a genocide too, as evidenced by their willingness to surrender to the IDF. The university terror-supporters didn't get the memo.
You think we are protesting to destroy Israel? That’s a bit silly dont you think?
A 2 or 1 state solution would be great in theory but I don't see how anything other than dismantling the zionist state is acceptable now. You wouldn't share a state with literal nazis would you?
i bet in their minds a two-state soln means full and complete removal of all Israeli control / blockade of west bank and gaza. that's not what it means to Israelis. i think the movement recognizes this fact.
there is no two-state solution because it is illegal
Arabs already have equal rights in Israel...through citizenship....2 million of them
9% of Gazan population is ~200,000 terrorists...no thanks, it took a year to eliminate 50,000
I find that surprising. Didn’t 70% say they support Oct 7 and support Hamas?
I find this poll somewhat untrustworthy. Given their behavior on Oct 7, I don’t believe this poll.
When they say 2 state they mean earning more territories before annihilating the jews (like for instance what they did with Gaza for 18 years).
When the they say one state, they want to overthrow the majority and making it a muslim state that will annihilate the jews in a decade
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I hope this is accurate. It’s so different from the results of other polls I’ve seen of Gazans (though I know polling in Gaza is very difficult for many reasons).
If it is accurate, this is the best I’ve felt about the possibility of peace in the future in a long time.
It would have been really nice if Gazans elected leadership that was interested in a 2 state solution in the first place, before 10/7. It's not surpising that Gazans are willing to settle for less now that they're outright losing this war.
Genuine question: if those statistics are correct, then why do so many Gazans still support Hamas, who obviously are not in favor a 2-state solution?
The most recent polls I have seen (though I understand the numbers can be compromised) still show high support for Hamas in Gaza.
I don’t know what will or won’t work. I’m a Jew living in a Palestinian neighborhood in the USA. All I do know, is that no matter how hard it is to even talk about all of this, I would much rather hear what my Palestinian neighbors have to say than what protesters have to say.
If you think the PCPSR results were tampered with—and they do in person verified interviews, in randomized locations, drawing on relatively large sample sizes—then you should also take the poll here with a grain of salt, since it uses weaker controls than this, is done over phone
I'm keen to trust and believe in the optimism but what's the source? These statistics are very different from other surveys we've seen over the last year.
That's only "Taqiyya" (تقیة). To simulate being ok with coexistence until they get strong again and can fight from within the society that's dominant.
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That most Gazans and most Israelis want a 2 state solution—that gives me hope for peace. If only their leaderships weren’t actively preventing that.
This is great to hear but honestly, if such an overwhelming portion of the population is open to living peacefully, why haven’t the hostages been freed yet?
What do WB Palestinians believe? Last I heard, the majority still celebrated Hamas.
So why did >95% supported 7/10 in Gaza according to opinion pole published then?
Then why don’t they take the opportunity Israel is giving them to overthrow Hamas?
well, no surprise there. they are the ones who actually have to live with the consequences of their actions.