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We've broken school tests, via excess concern for disabled.

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Stefan Schubert

@StefanFSchubert

Nov 7

42% of private school pupils in England get extra time in exams because of ADHD, dyslexia, or other diagnoses. FT’s article focuses on the difference vs state schools but their numbers are also crazy high. This is a serious cultural defect, and not only in the UK.

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Sichu Lu(Sichu.Lu218@proton.me)

@lu_sichu

Nov 8

with respect, even on reasoning tests, more time generally do not change relative rank order(ie on ravens, sats and such)

Why not just give everyone more time then?

I suppose it depends on the test. If they are testing knowledge, then the extra time shouldn't matter. If they are testing reasoning speed, then yes. I assume it's mostly the former, given how schools function.

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Antithesis

@AntithesisHQ

End-to-End tests are often hard to write, debug, and maintain. That is why many of us avoid them at all costs and rely on unit and integration tests. But what if instead of avoiding the problem——you fix it?

The Testing Pyramid is upside-down

And there are almost certainly knock-on bad effects. Girls, in particular, lean into their ‘mental illness’. Have some weird pride in it. (Boys seem to treat it more pragmatically. Claim mental illness, get extra time)

when i was in school in the 1980s i think maybe 5% of the kids got extra time because of ADHD or dyslexia.

The LSAT is already broken Scores are so inflated by accommodations that the scores that used to get into Harvard now are below median at schools like Texas

This is a problem in Canadian higher education, speaking from personal experience.

Matt Walsh

@mattnwalsh

Nov 8

Toxic levels of empathy

End the DOE

Only school-age tests that are really important in our educational system remain pass/fail and elite competitions like Putnam

Dog

@dog_domain

Nov 8

my accommodations definitely helped me personally and i definitely qualified for them based on the criteria. but no way that 40% qualify. adhd and dyslexia combined arent that common. might as well give everyone extra time

Collin Reid

@CREID2852

Nov 8

We've broken school tests, via excess concern for disabled. As a father of special needs son, there is VERY TRUE for public schools. That said I understand why Parents are obsessed with special need children though because most of history these people are borderline existence.

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The Sentient Dog Group

@e_considine

Nov 8

All metrics will be gamed if they are made to matter. Goodhart strikes again.

Nathan Barnard

@NathanB60857242

Nov 8

what's the evidence that it's broken? E.g how much less efficient is sorting because of this?

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Quant trading firms use relatively simple math test for screening. But they asks a ton of questions in 8 minutes. Speed testing works for testing for math ability

Toviah Moldwin

@TMoldwin

Nov 8

Alternatively, the standard amount of time given for the exams is insufficient, unless we are specifically interested in seeing how people do under time pressure.

10kman

@mulalock

Nov 8

Would your C students turn into A students if given more time? Timed tests measure performance under pressure, but that's not necessarily required for everything .

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@Purpsky88

Nov 8

I’d guess if the education system was not so fundamentally coercive, then “ADHD” and “Oppositional Defiant Disorder” diagnoses et al would not exist. (Nor exams themselves).

I think this is more of a story about class privilege.

Akwosiwjaiwnsiwnlana J

@Akwosiwjaiwnsi1

Nov 8

I'm my high school, a peer with a lifelong debilitating physical disability and unlimited testing time was the only person who scored a perfect SAT score. They are a very inspiring story, but I don't think ADHD should get the same treatment especially if diagnosis rate is high

Who knows if these increased numbers of "problem students" are inheritances of the COVID lockdowns.

ShutterIsland

@O__C___D__

Nov 8

this is DEI in somewhat different and new clothes. people will pursue these disabilities to get advantages. it's been happening and it will continue.

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