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Colin Z. Robertson
@czrobertson
With self-driving cars, how will pedestrian behaviour change when they realise that the cars reliably stop when they step in front of them?
Another example: folks tend to act extremely polite at shooting ranges.
To what extent is that to do with the implicit danger, vs just the unity of a common interest that not everyone values?
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or and heres a thought. we make a law that interfering with an autonomous motor vehicle is illegal. then we outsource the enforcement to a department, maybe called the police
Do you think you can delete this and re-post without the sarcastic opener, to make it worth engaging with?
us pacificists freeloading on the norms kept in place by random violent nutcases
In my high school there was a group that would throw various types of fruit (some large enough to leave dents) at cars. They stopped when one driver pulled out a gun.
You will act to defend your own property, but not Waymo's property. It may also be that the law will more likely support you acting with proportion to defend your own property and not so much Waymo's property.
All the same mechanisms should work, though: will you delay a Waymo's passengers? If it's empty, will you delay the cars behind them?
(Any cyclist can tell you: there are plenty of violent people on the street willing to enforce their view of what is anti-social.)
Only takes one high-profile case of a random nutcase getting out of the Waymo with a baseball bat to reestablish deterrence here.
This is framed as negative (which, in the case of some jackass randomly holding up a car for no reason, it is). But there's a lot of positive that can come out of pedestrians and cyclists no longer being scared of random violent nutcases. Using a crosswalk is no longer frogger.
Not just nutcases - inattentive/distracted people. No question the positives are enormous.
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This just isn't true though? It happens to normal cars all the time, for various reasons. Most notably as a protest tactic
Thus, "unwise for 1 to 4 males to attack one male, in the night. Random chance that victim will xxxxxxxxx and yyyyyy with their Combat Skills."
Kind of bodes well for AI not being an existential risk that it’s so easy to program in passivity.
I'm sorry but this is a complete failure to understand the x-risk argument. It's no evidence at all.
Bro this happens with other drivers, you have to drive passive aggressively in order to even deal with traffic. Too many people taking advantage of others.
This varies a bit by where you're driving, but absolutely some aggression is required to be a driver.
Waymo’s need to randomly kill people sitting on the hood with low probability. Problem solved!
Just carry a high powered 10000mw laser pointer, eye for an eye style. Be on your way in minutes
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I think something similar goes for the toxicity of online communities, particularly gaming. Some of it's persistence (there are social consequences to behaving badly around people you will see again). But some of it's the risk of having your ass kicked.
Someone interfering with my car could be trying to carjack me. That's an instant acceleration in any opposing direction.
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Could be solved if people would just take a gun with them on their waymo ride
This is partly the argument people (ironically?) make in favor of bullying.
Try all new Waymo magnetron hood ornaments.
if someone sits on the hood you just fire up the microwave and start cooking hotdogs. ...
You don't have to be a nutcase. Sitting on my car hood is a request to go for a ride.
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Paul Crowley
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We rely on random violent nutcases to deter certain kinds of antisocial behaviour mattbell.us/what-i-learned
Well listen up you dumb fucker who blocks on the first sign of rudeness. You're/they're right. Absolutely. But your words are as trash as your methodology for netizen surfing. 
Your collective point is a weak way of saying Civilizations is built upon the capacity for violence.
Your collective point is a weak way of saying Civilizations is built upon the capacity for violence.
Oooh. Perhaps there is a Chesterton's Fence aspect to road rage. I hadn't thought about that last vestige of honor culture.
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liontender
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I've been nursing a theory that America still has honor culture (the code duello, wounded pride must be avenged, etc) but only for cars
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I’m not sure I agree that this is why this doesn’t happen with human-piloted cars. Even if we ignore violent outlier reactions, there are still all kinds of slow but steady escalations a human driver can make against someone doing this that a Waymo can’t or won’t
A fairly old trope of western movies: the tragic hero, often times being almost as bad as the badies that they are often contracted to fight, but the problem only shows up when the tragic hero has defeated the badies and now he's the city's baddie e.g. High Plain Drifter
I guess there needs to be some other form of consequence, besides possible physical harm, to deter this behavior? Some law for impeding traffic?
I thought Japan was a counterexample but then I remembered Shinzo Abe and I’m less sure.
i was told growing up every driver on the road was someone who just lost their job, wife, and dog and is BEGGING for you to start something
If (hobo on hood) then ( tmp = uniform(0,1). if (tmp < .001) then (kill hobo))
Problem solved.
I'm guessing it's not just violence. Sheer human unreliability is presumably a factor too. I don't step out in front of cars when I have right of way because I don't know that they've seen me.
Also, I've been waiting for self-driving cars for a long time:
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Colin Z. Robertson
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With self-driving cars, how will pedestrian behaviour change when they realise that the cars reliably stop when they step in front of them?
as a deterrent, every fiftieth car needs to be an Ain't-No-Fuckin'-Waymo, with electrified body panels and front-mounted tear gas launchers
The solution would be to randomly make some Waymo more violent in these situations.
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Can't we say the same about gun ownership, and the risk of breaking into someones house.
As Forrest Gump once said:
"Life is like Russian roulette. You never know when you're gonna get shot."
I was recently thinking about something similar in the context where car robbers can be ran over by the driver they're trying to rob. See:
The Waymo passenger does not own the car so will not care about it. The hood sitter knows that.
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So the fix is to randomly program some of the waymos to go berserk when interfered with
I'm not violent or a nutcase, but if someone tried to attack me while I was in my car I would absolutely run them over if I could...
This is why I’m unapologetically aggressive in basically all situations. It’s not just cars. If nobody is going to make you fear for your life for standing on the left side of the escalator for example, society just breaks down.
I'm not sure that's the only reason, though. You don't mess with strangers' cars in part because they might be crazy, sure, but also because they have the social credibility to get the police to respond, whereas nobody expects the cops to respond to a Waymo call
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I've seen many videos of people abusing delivery robot cars, it seems that those cases will only get worse as robots become common place and, I forecast that it's a slippery slope: first big tech companies will be granted the right to defend their property with non lethal means..
Isn't this a false dichotomy? Few people will be willing to ram the car into you, but some others might still get out of the car and confront you, or yell at you, or jerk the car forward a tiny bit as a warning, or try to get help. There's a spectrum of behavior involved.
Yes, you've finally put it into clear words why falling down feels based even tho D-Fens is technically the villain. It takes dicks to fuck assholes, violence to counter violence. If society doesn't do it the civil way (e.g. enforcing laws) someone's gonna do it the messy way.
I think you are significantly underestimating saying the proportion of drivers that would kill someone who intentionally jumped on their hood