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Jeremiah Johnson 🌐
@JeremiahDJohns
This is why I keep emphasizing that the Progressive Blob matters even when the candidate aims for moderation. The public's perception of what Democrats believe is formed by what activists, non profit types, journalists, academics, etc, keep repeating.
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Basil🧡
@LinkofSunshine
49% of swing voters believed Kamala had defunding the police in her platform, including a good amount that voted for her lol
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Tornado Randy 🇺🇸
@Barrelrol1s
No, I think it’s mainly formed by opposition media, which is increasingly dominant and influential. The guy working at an auto shop doesn’t think Harris is pro-defund because he’s mad about Ibram X Kendi. He thinks that because Mark Levin told him it’s true.
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gautam
@grayap9
But why is that not true of Republican party proxies? Imo it's because the Republican party has built a better a media machine that allows them to influence public opinion in ways that benefit them
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Crane
@SecondaryEngine
The Dems were used to having near complete control of the media. They could fully control and shape the narrative around most candidates. To the point that they even gained control of the Overton Window, forcing society to publicly accept certain ideas such as DEI. This worked
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Tom Bombadil
@Authw8
i think it's totally possible to escape this association as a dem, but you can't do it without pissing people off
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Wrong Think
@neverwrong_88
The American people have seen you for who you truly are. You cannot simply paint over with a new veneer. Get rid of the rot at the core of your party, or lose forever.
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Old Whig. 🇺🇲🇸🇪🇫🇮🇪🇪🇦🇹
@aClassicLiberal
Harris during her three month election period ran on a moderate platform. Swing voters wasn't going to be fooled again by a campaign that advocated moderation and unity and then as soon as elected did the opposite. "Fool me once.."
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Here
@COMO516
We have memories. Just because they realized she should no longer say it out loud does not count.
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Karl Kolchak
@TheKarlKolchak
She objectively cheered it on - she didn't list it in her platform as polling showed it unpopular but people saw through her lies and to her incompetence. Hope that helps Jeremiah.
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Good Juju
@NotVeriphobic
yes and the leadership is constantly aligning themselves with the nutcases like wanting men in female sports and boys in girls' changing rooms
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The Sentient Dog Group
@e_considine
Perhaps Bill Clinton was a lesson here. The meaningless photo op or position can send a signal. Clinton used supporting 'school uniforms' and attacking a 'gangsta rapper' to broadcast his moderation.
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Phillips Curve Defender
@JettTrj82099
Progressives keep asking how The Groups have so much leverage over politicians, but the answer is really simple: they have media buy-in! The Dem base looks to the media for ideological guidance and swing voters look to it to see what Dems believe.
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Take Handler
@sssnakeshack
Why do you think it is that it works that way for democrats but conservative ‘activists’ can spout antisemitic conspiracies & call for ending women’s suffrage & it’s ignored as fringe even when they are republican candidates & actual members of the incoming administration?
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Has Eric Adams Resigned Yet??
@bri_guy_ny
Terrible take. The public's perception is formed by what the candidate at the top of the ticket authentically says. Harris left a vacuum-- she was defined by the Republicans with little push back.
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Jeremiah Crotser
@CrotserJeremiah
There is a degree of truth to what you're saying. But it wouldn't have mattered if Biden had answered his critics on the economy. What I don't get is that by measure, it's a nonissue compared to the economy, but it's getting ALL the attention. Why?
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Mark Ryan 🌻
@Mark_J_Ryan
It was the campaign’s job to break through on these issues. But it seems like they never even knew that they had these liabilities, let alone had an effective plan to deal with them.
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Jeremiah Crotser
@CrotserJeremiah
When Kerry ran v. Bush my mom knocked doors and lots of people would say they preferred Bush because of his military service in Vietnam. When she corrected them, they just didn't believe her. Lack of education is a big part of it.
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Post³
@postcub3
tbh this is also right wing propaganda. but, otoh and to your point, if youre producing enough bad material so the other side can bludgeon you with it...
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Dylan Frendlich
@DFRavens
Well when you neither confirm nor deny if you believe those things people will draw there own conclusions. You can’t just dodge it. There is no dodge.
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Diane Hutcherson
@zetahutch
But Trump and his minions... Attacked the Capitol police 1/6/21 Want to defund and dismantle the FBI; Want to dismantle The Justice Department; Yet she wanted to "defund the police" Make it make sense🤦‍♀️
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EN
@TC_Erin
well sure, but by extension that also makes it less relevant. If they're going to be connected by low-info voters no matter how distant the policy in question is for the candidate, what are you supposed to do about it? You can't disappear the people/orgs who feel that way.
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Dr. Karen Leader (she/her)
@proftinkerbell
The concept of taking funds from the police to give resources to other community-based services is a fundamentally good idea. The criminalization/incarceration model has failed utterly. Demonizing it was a right wing success.
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Stephanie
@exante_me
My spiciest take is that for this reason we need more conservatives in academia. We are held responsible for the “they hate Latinx bc they are homophobic” guy since it’s a liberal space. If it was both he would just be a fringe weirdo.
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Jeremiah Crotser
@CrotserJeremiah
I wonder how you compare this too the effect of Trump world on Trump’s candidacy. Obviously significant amount of Trump voters do not believe that there’s an epidemic of people eating cats and dogs. And yet Trump won the election. Why then would you blame Harris’s loss…
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Jon Thompson
@TaxGuyJon
It’s formed by what republican activists and media claim activists, non profit types, journalists, academics, etc keep repeating.
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Peach (Come to Bluesky)🪷🐝🌻🟦🖤🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🟧
@PeachResist
Even if the progressive blob changed their tone, it would have no effect unless we find a way to pierce and counter the all pervasive and powerful far right infosphere — to find a way to seduce the population utterly captured by that into processing a different narrative.
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Doggo1234
@Doggo12347
This. The Dems never distanced themselves from many deeply unpopular opinions, even if it's not the party per se spouting this stuff. Guilt by very close association.
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Basin
@basinmusic
She publicly agreed with that position in the past. She never denounced her earlier statements.
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mike dun
@mikedun11
Defund the police hasn’t been politically relevant since 2020 when Joe Biden was running. Why didn’t it affect him but hurt her 4 years later?
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o
@o_wn145
This is exactly why she should’ve leaned into progressiveness and countered those republicans lies instead of saying “we agree with republicans we’re just half assed versions of them”
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Fancy Evvy 👽
@evvywevvy
it sounds like a pro-cop Democrat can't win with pro-cop Republicans, nor with anti-cop Democrats sounds like a big problem for pro-cop Democrats, if you ask me. they should think hard about whether their commitment to funding the cops is more important than winning elections
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U.S.A. better than the rest
@newliberals
Everyone who was for defunding police, decriminalizing border, no cash bail, etc… stopped talking about it. They didn’t repudiate it. So what would you believe if someone spent years promoting something and then silent? As R’s said this is who they are? 1/
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Logically Left #StopGenocide 🏳️‍🌈 ✊🏿
@Logically_Left
No its formed by Republicans and conservative media. Just like the myth of rising crime, it's all made up. When the GOP attacks the Dems they just sit there. They rarely respond, and when they do it's in the weakest way imaginable.
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Matthew Vadnais
@glumchaos
The problem with this is partially about how the blob includes fake progressives designed to get you to bail. The left is a huge target for disinformation, etc. They don’t need to persuade lefties if they can push them to annoying and wrong.
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Decommission the Aircraft Carriers 🇵🇸
@IndridCipher
Democrats should purge all Democrats from the Party. Then Republicans will be able to say whatever they want about them and no one will be able to do anything about it. Giving Democrats exactly what they want..... Or something
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Buss'N
@trollcialist
The idea that public perception is formed by marginal actors with literally zero power or presence on the national stage is wildly delusion
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Kalecki
@SisterRay13
No, it's formed by the Democrats being corrupt, supporting utterly disastrous neoliberal/right wing policies that have utterly devastated communities of color, poor people, the working and middle classes, and because the party is dominated by corrupt, out of touch, wealthy
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Somebodyelse
@nobodywillobsrv
It's formed by what regular left people fail to condemn. By what you are not allowed to say or even talk about in front of them. Try it. Try to ask someone to explicitly explain why "figure x" is far right for example. They just scream and shut down
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Trillen 🌹
@OW_Trillen
It's not lol. The right thinks that immigrants are eating dogs and that were doing post birth abortions and Trans surgeries at schools. Please show me the activist group that supports these vary real things
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Veni Vidi Grizzly
@VeniVidiGrizzly
Defund the police is a completely marginalized platform, dude. It’s spun up by rightwing propaganda and you let yourself get spun. When it was touted by more on the left in 2020, but still not the candidates, Dems won. Stop reading tea leaves.
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Kimberly "a loser baby" Dunn-Fishman
@MeowRuka
That's too bad because in America we have the constitution which protects our rights as individuals so it doesn't matter what perception Democrats have that made them lose. They still lost and it is still their fault entirely.
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Matt 🐬
@llmean
Fox News can absolutely not create propaganda if the left does not give it to them.
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Tommy Hill
@MerkazoidDuff
So should the Democratic Party kick out the extremists? They’d probably lose about 20% of their base. But if they don’t, they’ll be defined by the extremists by the fact they don’t kick them out, thereby condoning the extremism.
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quirkles
@kwirkles
Democrats won in 2020 when they were talking about defunding the police and lost in 2024 when they ran a prosecutor who was running as an extreme centrist
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wongisms
@justwongisms
The only outlets that characterized (incorrectly) that defunding the police was part of a former prosecutors presidential campaign platform were right wing misinformation outlets & conservative new sources - maybe some stupid MSM types for the clickbait.
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Seymour Smoke
@SeymourSmoke2
Good, I’m glad you’re getting dragged down with us and I’ll work to make sure you never win another election without appealing to us
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Daniel Friedman
@DanFriedman81
Obama’s executive agencies operated far to the left of his personal messaging, and Biden ran on a return to normalcy and then pursued the most progressive agenda in decades. The Biden/Harris DOJ is currently prosecuting police departments in numerous cities and seeking consent
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Jerry T
@JerryTurin
Because the candidate "aiming for moderation" is the artificial part. Saying it over a teleprompter doesn't make it so. Especially when 3 years ago the candidate was supporting anti-police violence, BLM and de-fund by calling for the Federal gov't to pay bail for related
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Arjentu
@arjentu
The Democrat is just going to get 100% of the praise/blame of all "left" politics. Same for Republican / "right". We have 2 parties and that's just how it is
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different name
@DerekDenhamAlan
The public perception is formed by whatever rightwing media and republicans on social media tell right wingers to think, as nauseum, day in and day out. For fucks sake, right wingers truly believe Dems want to murder babies in the 9th month, and ban Christianity etc
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Blank
@streetswept
"The public's perception of what Democrats believe is formed by what activists, non profit types, journalists, academics, etc, keep repeating" Yeah there's no massive brainwashing industry working to destroy the minds of millions of voters at all. AT ALL, RIGHT?
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Paul
@JabbaTheHut15
It’s unfortunate cause most of my friends are democrats and literally not one believes in defunding the police. The party allowed its fringe activists to put a stain on its brand
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