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IT IS NOT ENOUGH FOR DEMOCRATS TO SIMPLY *NOT HOLD* RADICAL POSITIONS DEMOCRATS MUST *ACTIVELY DENOUNCE* RADICAL POSITIONS

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Armand Domalewski

@ArmandDoma

Nov 28

I wonder if it would’ve helped if Kamala did an ad that was just talking directly to camera that was like “some people have said I support taxpayer funded surgeries for undocumented immigrants, mandatory electric vehicles, and defunding that police. Absolutely fucking not!”

1:10 AM · Nov 29, 2024

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David Watson 🥑

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But that would have alienated key supporters.

Tolerance of a more radical wing of your party will alter public perception. MTG is actively harming republicans and "The Squad" is actively harming democrats.

@Hunter_Jacques_

You have to actively denounce positions that you have held just 4-6 years earlier. Not to mention you have to effectively deliver your message. Harris could neither explain her current positions well, or articulate a clear message to the right audience.

Cameron Poetzscher

This is especially the case for individual Democrats who once publicly proclaimed support for these radical positions.

@DerekPederson3

And openly take the opposite positions.

This is why Josh Shapiro would have been a good VP pick. His comments calling out the antisemitism levels on certain pro palestine college protests were very triggering for the left. But it’s what voters want from politicians and dems: condemning extremists in your own coalition

I live in the state of Josh Shapiro and John Fetterman, PA Dems have some credibility when they do that. Lefty San Francisco/Oakland/Berkeley types that were openly selected based on immutable characteristics like skin tone and gender do not have that luxury.

Philip Imants Long

The Sista Souljah moment both works and is necessary. The leftist mobs will come for any who dare though.

Pretty funny that Democrats were accusing the other side of "dog whistle", but at the same time had no problem with dog-whistling many things on their own, including literal fucking communism. E.g. "there should be no billionaires" is quite dem-compatible position, but this

Coddled affluent professional

@feelsdesperate

How do we know Kamala didn’t hold radical positions?

I see you're continuing with bad takes.

Suck it

the classical conservative

ah yes, if only the dems start actively criticizing positions they never supported, surely THEN the republicans will be unable to smear them as radical marxist communist socialists bent on destroying western civilization!

Purposefully avoiding criticism of a position you don't hold is a way of endorsing that position

It's important to have a set of principles you use to make decisions that you can articulate to others so voters know where you're coming from. If those principles caused you to hold crazy ideas in 2019, you have to communicate how your thinking changed. K focus grouped her

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Saikat Chakrabarti

I agree! But important to note that most voters also believed Trump would do unpopular things he said he wouldn't. E.g. majority of voters by a large margin believed Trump would sign a national abortion ban (which he claimed he wouldn't).

Reasonable Democrat

@Please_B_Normal

Especially in places like Texas where the party’s brand is in the gutter

But she did hold many of these positions

It will take some time but that would be a great start.

Tenderloin Republican

Hold them, don’t hold them, doesn’t matter. The denouncing part does

She was a terrible pick for the moment.

Brandon | Wealth Potion

Good luck with that

@CaliYugaBoomer

Spoiler: they won’t

Dan Victor, CFA

@theRealDanVCFA

that would TRIGGER a massive contingent

@RaisingLesBars

And actually implement the necessary changes!

@2thegreat166318

Or actively not actively take those positions in the first place.

And why should the public believe such denunciations? Their track record speaks volumes. And politicians will tell different audiences different lies.

@nicholasethan97

GIF

very sad that this is true for the left, but not even a little true for the right

Agreed, but in this case, kamala ran on these positions in 2020. Reasonable people can change opinion over time, but if substantially all of your mind changes happen in between a primary and general election, the electorate is being appropriately skeptical.

@Yugi0h_mishima

best of luck with that one

A few things. (1) the election wasn’t a blowout (2) the storm will pass when Trump retires (3) Dems probably won’t get landslide results unless the economy is in shambles.

They can’t seem to grasp the concept

@BJRichardson100

It would be nice, just once, for them to own their failed positions and admit they were wrong.

Craig for Common Sense

Except she did 🤷‍♂️

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The Intolerant Moderate

YES. The moderates must be intolerant with the intolerant minority, otherwise they are in control.

Fiver / Boildown

Is this Anti-Racism except for Radicalism instead of Racism?

Huh? It doesn't matter if Democrats renounce far left positions, Trump and the Republicans will lie and ignore such denounciations. Harris changed her positions on many things since 2019 yet the Republicans ignored this and used them against Harris. How many Republicans renouced

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Absolutely. These radical positions are bad and widely unpopular. Need to push away from them aggressively if they are ever going to get behind the 1% who support them.

Nate Waterhouse

Denouncing lockdowns, masks, and the Ukraine War would be a good start

Yet there is plenty of evidence for all to see that she supported both of those things. And if she did that it would be just another flip flop to get elected.

Strawman Arguments

This is pretty misleading. She held some of those positions in the past, but did not actively campaign on it because she knew it would lose her voters. She didn't denounce her former positions, so people believed she still held them.

Despite what some democrats are claiming, that they don’t actually support trans insanity and other woke nonsense, we all know they do.

Kamala could not because those were her well documented and reasoned out opinions in 2019. She purposefully gave vague answers to all those questions in 2024 because she was trying to get elected. She gave a wink and a nod by saying her core values have not changed. Her

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Ah yes the proven Noah strategy of always on defense

They must actively denounce radical positions which they held until they decided to run for president. It really is that simple, nothing complicated here. She never did and she wouldn’t because she does believe all of it.

🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

This but unironically.

yes the left must take out its garbage and do so publicly - not let the garbage start running all the institutions

Anthony Goldsmith

It’s a little bit more sophisticated than that. The Democrats need to stick with their position as personal / social libertarians and continue to insist that people have a right to do with their bodies what they want as long as they are not risking harm to others. And that’s our

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@Bob_Somebody021

Trump the moderate strikes again. Did you start the folder yet?

Com the Superfluous

Why would playing defense loudly the entire campaign while your opponent slings shit at you have worked

The left is owned by they/thems, no escaping that

Jonathan Avery Fuller

@Jonnyfourshirts

But they cant, because to do so would alienate the energetic part of their base. They're so far up their own butts at this point I don't see how they can pull out.

But she does support those things and is on record saying so.

You can’t walk any of those things back . She stated and implied support for everyone of those radical policies They are not just radical . They are genocidal and authoritarian

TheRightWingLiberal

Its because people arent stupid. Just pretending to not care about unpopular stances that you have supported for the past 10 years during an election campaign for a few months doesnt actually fool anyone

Free Thinking Roamer

@FreeThinkRoamer

Of course they need to. If you've said you support, or others around you have suggested you support, radical positions and you don't actively point out that you don't support those positions people assume that you're trying to play both sides. It annoys people on both sides of

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I 100% believe these policies would all move forward were democrats in charge.

If you're not anti-freakshow you're freakshow simple as.

Trump actively wiped abortion from this year’s GOP platform, publicly denounced Project 2025, and generally tells people he’s in charge - not any other loon with an R which made him run well ahead of standard R candidates.

@Fringe_Centrist

She essentially disappeared for most of four years. The was no evidence of her position evolving over that time. She was just suddenly a moderate, one who did not really repudiate her former far left positions or really explain her new ones.

Curious was the forest

I believe so too. Otherwise it takes too long for the current view of them to fade out with just no longer promoting those positions. Culture kinda has inertia and while fighting against it has a cost the alternative sucks far more. Godspeed US left for installing the update!

These swing voters aren’t wrong… Think about this… Remember those (presumably) young and VERY LW staffers that expressed “discomfort” with Kamala doing Rogan… If you put a survey in front of each of them and asked THEM how they felt on each of those issues… 1/2

I wish, but it really doesn’t make sense for them to do that. They need passionate turnout from the far left without losing moderates to reps.

Allen, Allen, Allen, & Allen

It's amazing that they thought they could run a fairly centrist campaign, ignore all of the clips of her saying outlandishly progressive things in interviews and talks with special interest groups, and be surprised why people thought those were part of her campaign.

How come GOP/MAGA gets away with actually holding radical positions much less having to actively denounce them?

@punishedwordcel

I think at this point the damage has been done, and saying it’s not happening is the first step in the “it’s happening and here’s why it’s good” pipeline

@SecondA16110022

Particularly if they have previously very famously supported those positions.

You're getting flak for this but I think you're correct. Not everyone wants to admit it.

Not just denounce. Actively fight against radical positions & actively fight for mainstream positions.

James Tiberius Stone

If this is true (and it might be), there's a double standard at work.

A thousand Sister Souljah moments!

That’s absolutely true. Anyone who has held radical positions can’t simply stop talking about it, they have to distance themselves from it. That’s their bed. They made it and now they need to lie in it.

Michael McGettigan

@MichaelMcGetti6

In the name of what though, besides power? The brand is permanent progress/revolution, but what we are progressing toward is always abstract, never realizable concretely. Utopianism without content is for instance well exposed in Hegel's critique of the French revolution.

At least the ones they've previously held

There’s a reason we STILL talk about Sista Souljah three decades later!

They won't do this though, because they do hold these positions

Yes. (Rule applies to GOP too.) I know you want to hang on to those extremist votes, but you're trading off moderates when you do.

And Republicans (or, now, Trmpists) can do whatever they want.

It's almost like they have to be clear about their platform... Which is kind of ridiculous to have to point out.

stove ist in berlin

@nolemonnomelon

Noah iirc you actively supported defunding the police no?

Their "values haven't changed."

Considering it's only a very small percentage of voters who actually believe any of these items (if any, on some of them) , who exactly would they be denouncing?

Private Plate Licker

And so the moderates vote Republican

Let Republicans hold those and win elections

Richard Samuelson

When you’re on the record holding radical positions, maybe it’s takes a great deal of work to convince voters you’ve truly repudiated that position

Fermi’s Pair of Socks

Yes!

“Positions she didn’t campaign on in 2024”, but which she clearly held in earlier elections.

@SteveJohnsonGA

Absolutely should have done the ads given how often the trans stuff ran in swing states.

@CrisSolomonOTR

YES BECAUSE BEING A COMPULSIVE LIAR IS TOTALLY BASED AND HIP NOW, SO EVERYONE MUST SPEND ALL THEIR TIME AND ENERGY CHASING AFTER LIES.

Idk, telling them to stand back and stand by seems to work too. I think this is over analysis. It was probably like 80% the fact covid and war caused inflation.

Those are dem/progressive positions though. If someone can't distinguish themself from their party what should people think? Campaigning gives them a chance, she didn't take it did she? I don't know anything about her or her positions.

Noah, you won’t win certain groups if you won’t be radical at least on words.

LOUDLY AND RELENTLESSLY

So strange that people would take her for her word. She literally held these radical positions or at least a large fraction thereof

Harry Lee Bergeron

@HarryLBergeron

The problem is that Harris literally did support the first one, so as with banning fracking, she had to come up with a good reason for her pivot and failed to do so

The GOP can still nominate and elect child molesters.

A Complete Nobody

A little difficult as that would contradict their stated positions.

"Not campaigning on" is the same thing as "not holding the position "

"she didn't campaign on in 2024". My brother, we both live in California, we know these are mainstream among CA Dems, and we also know she absolutely supported and campaigned on all of these items in the 2020 primaries.

Yes, actually lol

Agree. They have to at least pay lip service to the other more popular view. At the very least, they have to actually make a point of saying they’re against it as part of their regular speeches

@MrJamesWasHere

Yeah why would they assume the positions had changed unless you tell them?

@The_Devil_666_2

Do republicans “actively denounce” the radicals and their positions on their side?

will the real victim please stand up

The problem is that they gave the impression of denouncing them while actually still holding them.

Did you follow last elections? Trump didn't hold any radical positions?

Kamala and Walz did not run on any of these things. This was the GOPs playbook. Dems should have pushed back hard on the bs

Larry Rothfield @larryr@mstdn.social

What's your point?

particularly if they are dumb

@quasiireastclly

Lol. Yes that will surely stop the propaganda and lies.

This. 1 million times this. We need to purge the crazies as hard as we possibly can. We have a decade of reputational damage to undo.

@couldbeworse00

Becoming clear to me that the Democratic Party is fucked for the foreseeable future. Too much of it has been captured by the electorally-toxic left and they don't have it in them to do what needs to be done.

Lysander the Greek

Punch the fucking hippies

I’d vote for them if they would just stop bankrupting the country.

@next-ghost.bsky.social

...or the Dems could also sue the shit out of the right-wing propagandists who spread these lies. Denying the lies could result in a backfire effect and reinforce the lies in public perception instead.

Fernando Sanchez

Parties cannot expect the opposition to deal with their crazies. They have to deal with them themselves. Whomever deals with theirs first, they will have an advantage in future elections.

@nachtfalter_05

Radical positions like when Armand was advocating defund the police?? Those kinds of radical views?

Aka they need many more sister souljah moments. Definitive lines in the sand that are not crossed.

It's a good way for communists to keep their hands on the wheel.

Sasha Fem Reznov

🏳️‍⚧️

Radical positions like "I think trans people deserve human rights"

Trish “the Dish”

@TrishtheSkeptic

Only if they agree. I’d like the 2008 Democrats back please

Aurelian of Rome

@AurelianofRome

Not enough. They must disassociate from those who hold such views and push them to the margins.

Nah, the issue is they try to actually address every falsehood already and get mired in that muck, which will never end by the way. Recommend this older book, it goes over that. Essentially there will always be a new lie to address, it lets them own the conversation.

@George89132510

They announce new, crazier positions daily. It’s been a buildup process, and now only the most insane, over the top wild positions are presented. Just imagine another Democrat presidency. The country would effectively cease to exist.

Ernest Hemingwhy

These swing voters didn’t spontaneously believe this. This info filtered thru to the media they consume. Where are these voters consuming their info? Because THAT is the battleground and democrats, in some cases, didn’t even show up to the right places to fight.

Badri Sridharan

@BadriSridharan

Not sure about this. Trump has the anchor of abortion hanging around his neck but was able to downplay it. Dems should also see if they have a strong positive case that appeals to the nation.

Brandon Kuczenski

As opposed to Republicans, who can adopt whatever the fuck positions they want..?

Reality Check ^

Yes