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Can Desalination Be a Solution for Drought in SoCal?

The Sierra Club has also been fighting to stop construction of desalination plants in Los Angeles to provide more water

Ocean water enters through an intake on the shores of Agua Hedionda Lagoon in Carlsbad. Seawater is drawn into the pump stations and transported to Poseidon Water’s Claude Lewis Carlsbad Desalination Plant to begin the desalination process.

Wait... flammable trees?!?

Blue gum eucalyptus is especially dangerous and flammable, it’s one of their defining features.

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How Flammable Is a Eucalyptus Tree?

Twenty-five years after the Oakland Hills fire, people still disagree about whether blue gum eucalyptus is a fire threat in the East Bay Hills

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San Francisco doesn't experience wildfires like Los Angeles does and eucalyptus trees are the prettiest things. Leave them alone.

San Francisco is that fire risk secondary to an earthquake, which is how a large portion of the city burned down in the 20th century.

I don’t believe removing every single one of them is a good solution either? Why not remove them in a phased way, and replant other species strategically? You can have strategically placed gaps instead of killing all eucalyptus no?

The embers, if there is a fire at that location, would cover a large chunk of San Francisco. The fumes are also toxic in high concentrations.

i took this in the santa cruz mountains 3 months ago its bad you know

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Carol Walsh ^Monterey Bay^

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Prescribed Burning on Public Lands

The eucalyptus trees have got to go the monarch butterflies did just fine before we planted these invasive water sucking monstrosities in the late 19th century that turn into giant flaming torches.

This simple solution will protect lives and save billions of dollars.

I think eucs are high risk in known historical wildfire zones like the East and North Bay and Santa Cruz mountains. I don’t think SF is that and there are other battles worth fighting.

Removing trees isn’t the answer you ghoul. Take a look at pacific palisades. Homes burnt trees still standing. That said I am sure sierra club has issues as do most “non profits” What starts as a good idea morphs into something else.

Removing invasive trees is good for native ecology actually

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The Sierra Club supports the use of prescribed fire in certain circumstances in fire-adapted ecosystems as a practice to promote biodiversity, to restore vegetative communities and natural fire regimes.

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The Sierra Club supports the use of prescribed fire in certain circumstances in fire-adapted ecosystems as a practice to promote biodiversity, to restore vegetative communities and natural fire...

“We support [thing] but only in such a bureaucratically tedious way as to effectively block it”

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Jan 8

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Unfortunately yes. In 2007 the Sierra Club successfully sued the Forest Service to prevent them from creating a Categorical Exclusion (CE) to NEPA for controlled burns (the technical term is "fuel reduction"). The CE would have allowed the forest service to conduct burns without

Does no one remember the big fires in the 90s in the Oakland hills? To this day there’s less houses. Everything lit up due to - lack of maintained infrastructure - eucalyptus trees - poor city mangement

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Oakland firestorm of 1991 - Wikipedia

Eucalyptus are awful, they drop dead branches to encourage fires which allows them to eliminate other tree species. Australia has basically lost all its diversity to this (cypress, pines, etc). The USA has so many nice trees, it makes no sense.

To be fair prescribed burns wouldn’t have prevented the palisades fire (which started in a populated area & has largely burned developed areas), but 100% agree with eucalyptus. They also keep falling on the Caltrain tracks!

send a couple strategic Koalas loose

should be fine

The eucalyptus trees along the Presidio were originally planted to create a barrier to hinder tanks advancing in the event of an amphibious landing from an invading military. The intention never was to create a landscape dominated by eucalyptus trees and ivy in SF

also, eucalyptus trees don't have enough root structure to withstand wind alone, and rely on nearby trees for mutual wind protection. So it makes it worse if you just thin them because the wind will blow them offer on houses

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The West Side also faces serious emergency water infrastructure constraints, too. The AWSS, our Auxiliary Water Supply System, is gravity fed, starts to lose power after multiple hydrants are in use, and the water is limited. Needs to be fixed but banging that drum doesn’t win

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Colin Glassey - Author

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That looks like a picture of the Albany Hill but I agree with your points. Get rid of the eucalyptus trees. Plant redwoods instead.

Mixed feelings about this- the eucalyptus forrest is pretty cool in the fog here in SF but yeah it is an invasive species and flammable- however, I do wonder if the whole concept of an invasive species is questionable?? Like just because it was deliberately planted 100+ years ago

Eucalyptus are terrible, non-native trees and should be removed from the landscape with prejudice and great haste. Not only are they very flammable, their wood is garbage, and they consume vasts amounts of water. Eucalyptus is one of the worst softwood trees on the planet.

I was surprised to hear this, so I did some research.

That's insane. As an Australian, I can tell you now that Eucalyptus trees have very powerful oil designed to burn rapidly and produce embers. Australian bush fires are supposed to be regular and fast so that fuel does not build up on the ground. Knowing you have Gum trees on

Truth:

Every fire fighter/chief hates seeing eucalyptus tree for this particular reason. I am sure someone can calculate how much wild fire risk can be reduced if we cut and replace all the eucalyptus trees in California!

Hmm, makes me rethink my position a little, I did not consider invasive species that are fire risk. Can these be used for timber?

Northern California is in the same peril as LA

yupppp....the original ecosystem was designed to handle this.

LA friend had this issue, wanted to cut down very flammable invasive trees but was prohibited.

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They also endorsed the street closure on Hayes Street which has been negatively impacting small business. What business they have meddling in this initiative is baffling.

Unfortunately eucalyptus trees is not only a good economic driver at the time of their introduction, they also burn much hotter. The Leiria 2017 fires in Portugal is a prime example of eucalyptus trees being a hazard. They soak up a lot more ground water.

This is what I was talking about a couple of nights ago!

And sucks the hell out of the ground water to boot

that part of the town foggy and wet most of the time of the year tho

is Soros behind this as well?

Given the fire risk, have there been any studies on replacing eucalyptus with less flammable native species in San Francisco?

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These trees don't belong in California. They aren't indigenous. - If there is fire the trees put off a gas that explodes. - The leaves that fall in brooks, stream, lakes, or rivers destroys "the aquatic macroinvertebrate communities change, altering the food chain". - The

And this brings up a good point. Invasive as defined by California is a species that is likely to cause economic harm or harm to human health. Ambiguous and broad definition. You can literally place any plant or animal species into this category at will.

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The Sierra Club is the worst. They also prevent thinning the forest and that led to millions of animals dying.

Have you ever seen eucalyptus burn? It's like a torch!

The

is a net negative. They got the mules kicked out of Grand Cayon after 100 years. They sued ranchers for grazing in desert tortoise habitat and then supported turning that same habitat into sterilized industrial solar farms. Don't get me started on Sierra Club

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@CrookeJenkins

Exactly

The Sierra Club is a terrorist organization

And as we found out down in Burlingame during high winds, they have very weak root systems. So when the ground gets saturated from heavy rain, and then a big wind comes, they can be pushed over very easily. The reason they’re so flammable is all the oil in

Now would be a good time to remember that libs are anti human. They love the smelt, the eucalyptus, the polar bear, the spotted owl, the harbor seal, the chimpanzee, the manatee, the humpback far more than they care about people. They are “saving “ the planet but for whom? Not

you wouldn't even believe what they are forced to do to "trim a tree" away from power lines in CA> they sit an Environmentalist in a lawn chair looking up at the pole for 6-8 hours for a few days to see if "birds land on it" (shit you not) btw the birds fly in for my chicken

The Sierra Club has been an extremist group for decades. The opposite of what they advocate should be done.

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There are reasonable objectives for the environment that are being unreasonably abused.

They are also a high risk for falling, and one tree alone can weigh up to 100k pounds. I have first hand experience with this scenario. They have killed many over the years.

Sometimes it seems that environmentalists care way more about trees than people.

Eucalyptus trees: 100 foot tall matchsticks that fall over whenever they want to.

Eucalyptus trees are not native to California. They were imported from Australia to grow for timber. Later they found out they imported the wrong species and they can’t be used as planned. Basically they are worthless.

We need tougher politicians.

Who knew the Sierra Club had the time to actually comment on trees…

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We hope everyone stays safe during this time and knows their rights

We have a similar problem in Madeira. They are great for shoring up hillside soil from rains and runoff, but the payback on fires—which are almost a certainty with Eucalyptus given its life cycle evolution—is terrible for living habitats among them.

The Sierra club is mentioned a ton in this documentary.

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As much as I normally agree with you, Eucalyptus trees are some of the beautiful parts of the city. Epically tall, wonderful scent, and they had a richness to Golden Gate Park that is beyond words. Should the Bay’s climate radically change then maybe remove them. But Eucalyptus

…it’s just a disaster waiting to happen…

That would be timely indeed.

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Gary - contractorsPOV

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Eucalyptus burns so hot. Very oily wood. That would be crazy.

What color is the boathouse at Hereford?

Yikes!

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Fact check: there is no indication that the Sierra Club has specifically called for a halt to prescribed burns in Los Angeles

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Eucalyptus wood is really hard and full of sap. They burn long and really hot. In the Oakland 1992 fire, I could see those trees burning on the top of a ridge like candles 7 miles away in Sausalito. 3,000 residences burned in that firestorm. Firestorms create their own wind.

Wow

Start with Glen Park.

Can they be harvested for eucalyptus oil?

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