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How is a sprinkler retrofit costing as much as a new unit in another state?
"Because most of the towers targeted by the ordinance are historic, it’s likely that the sprinkler installation process will involve removing lead paint and asbestos."
I imagine this is where the huge costs are coming from
It turns out SF has a structure fire rate almost 40% lower than the national average.
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The math just doesn’t show up that way, I’m sorry.
-1.3% of FD calls overall are structure fires. And that can include “put out a stove fire with an extinguisher.” San Francisco is even lower - 0.8%. 78% of SFFD calls are medical & auto accidents.
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Pretty sure that’s more than the Ferrari Italia 458’s I was looking at a few years ago.
What are those, Italian performance sprinklers?
Think $1M life insurance is too much? Wait until you see everything it can really cover.
They tried this in one of the towns where I worked and rental properties were getting quoted $100k for houses that would sell for 350k
Yeah, but the plumber's union members make bank, and that's what counts in SF city government.
this might take the cake for highest special assessment Ive seen. Think the previous record was 100k and some change
Nothing wrong with improving safety, but the cost is high. Most plumbing is hidden which makes it hard to install and more expensive. Sprinklers are exposed plumbing, should be a lot easier to install and cheaper. $300k seems like a lot. How many rooms? 4? $75k/room? Yikes!
Wait until they do this for rent controlled apartments. That’s like 10 years rent.
Who is going to want to or be able to afford that with decades old rent control rates?
can't read due to firewall, but 1) why is this stunning? it's compliance w/ a law passed in 1993 and continuously postponed. 2) isn't this necessary to prevent deaths from fires?
So people should never buy a condo, right? Seems like they can suddenly decide you have to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars at any time.
That's no joke. There's a 20-year clock that was just set by the state. I'd expect SF to be more reasonable about this.
They’re trying to force California residents to sell their real estate. Find out who’s buying and you’ll know why.
list it with an insane markup if this is real. like straight up add 300K and just see if you get cash offers.
Give me a few arduinos, some string, and multiple buckets and we can take care of this
This is a little high, but honestly huge surprise assessments are kind of a thing in older high rise condo buildings. It turns out the condo association always defers maintenance and upgrades until they're crazy expensive and cannot be avoided. $50k is totally normal.
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Walked through the Franklin Towers in LA right after they had to refit all their sprinklers. Can't remember the exact number, but it was an outrageous number to want to buy a 440 sq ft studio.
Oh, and they had another $20M in earthquake retrofit to go.
Thanks, no high rises.
Over 20 years ago SF imposed building wide, unit by unit sprinkler requirements on SRO owners. It's been a huge success. Sprinklers are a vital safety measure in tall buildings.
For my Marin locals, this one is gold
Hopefully they've also done their deck inspections... Just tear it down and start over I guess. That'll only take a decade of permitting.
If the government can’t complete a project (e.g. high speed rail) because of over regulation, isn’t it a sign we need to start unwinding mandates?
Isn’t there also a ridiculous mandate to increase the sound of fire alarms in each unit? I believe the wiring in order buildings cannot be retrofitted and require all new equipment while the alarms are already loud enough to wake up any even sleeping with earplugs. It is all a
SF Politicians think property owners are rich! Not True. Most worked many hours for many years to buy their home.
One of many reasons I will never buy a condo. HOA fees, HOA regs, & special assessments. No thanks
Fuck SF they did this to themselves. I’m not losing sleep over SF condo owners…
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Sprinkler system costs go up because the mandates surge demand for contractors, permitting in SF.
Companies can overcharge even more, as the overly tight deadlines approach. Thank the SFBoS for the "safety" measure that threatens housing.
Nothing corrupt about this
Here's the archive of anyone wants to read it. I remember when this became law. Partially as a reaction to the 89 earthquake. Untenable with rent control unless there is pass through.
When the government is inept, we all pay for it.
…democrats are the epitome of ineptness
