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The people who have most turned against Democrats on immigration are not the "white moderates" that MLK talked about. They are IMMIGRANTS THEMSELVES, and their children. That's not being ahead of your time, that's a public relations disaster.
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No group has become more hawkish on immigration & shifted to the GOP than immigrants. Immigrant voters -Trust more on immigration in 2020: Dem +32 pt to Now: GOP +8 pt -Net fav of immigrants here illegally: +23 pt in '20, -6 pt in '24 -Trump's vote: 36% in '16 to 47% in '24!
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For Democrats to grasp this point they have to differentiate between legal and illegal immigrants instead of lumping them all together.
The reason is pretty obvious though right? It is very very hard to become a US resident and for many it is a VERY lengthy process that costs a great deal ( for legal fees ). If you then just let anyone in then people who struggled feel cheated.
Isn't this kinda the history of America? People migrate to America and then they turn against the next generation of immigrants?
I'm a legal immigrant. I have been a US citizen for decades now. I stood in line, proved my skills, waited, waited, spent money on lawyers, nitpicked every form, paid for biometrics (twice), health exams, you name it. My citizenship oath ceremony was a solemn and symbolic event,
That makes sense. More immigration reduces the bargaining power of the existing workforce. Professionals and trades have understood the importance of barriers to entry for centuries.
Correct. Democrats & media spent years conflating illegals with legal immigrants. It's like saying a car owner is the same as a car thief, or likening a homeowner to a squatter. Journos still do this today. At some point, we got tired of being equated with thieves & liars.
Lots of GOP posts arguing that the protestors are all minorities or illegal immigrants. I don’t think people comprehend that the main people that continue to protest after it has become toxic are white people counterproductively trying to be good allies.
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These are not American citizens. They are illegal immigrants waving flags of other countries, burning the US flag, Looting businesses, hurting police, disrupting commerce and destroying parts of LA. x.com/spencerhakimia…
I'm one of those immigrants. I came to the US in the 80s, legally, and was naturalized in the 90s. I absolutely support deporting every single illegal immigrant and their anchor babies without exception.
Lots of immigrants voted for Brexit in 🇬🇧 It’s a strange phenomenon. Partly pulling up the drawbridge, partly the most “fully integrated” role you can play as an immigrant is to become a racist ultra nationalist
Why are smart people like Noah Smith not getting the obvious - immigrants do not want to turn this country like the one they left behind, it's as simple as that.
Nobody likes a line cutter. I don’t blame the legal immigrants for feeling the way they do. They see through the BS and support Trump’s immigration policy.
It’s only this way because the democrats did absolutely 0 in terms of counter messaging. While Trump continued to paint them as bloodthirsty criminals and freeloaders, Dems did nothing to point out they do near nothing to increase crime. Instead they folded to the Trump narrative
Few have written about this (maybe Mike Madrid has?), but "The Groups" also have a strong hold on the "official" voices of minority ethnic groups with Democrats. By discouraging open and frank discussion it led to the party getting blindsided.
Well, this is 100% going to flip in the next poll, but if Dems are open to feedback atm: there's a "male feminist" energy in Dem engagement with immigrants -- say the right words but not follow through, not prioritize them, not actually value or like them.
You mean we're supposed to listen to the upper middle class terminally online class on immigration and not... actual legal immigrants and second generation kids? Shocked, shocked. Now let me utter the right opinions so my friends will click like on my IG stories and TikToks.
The issue was the volume of migration in the Biden admin. Which communities get the most immigrants? Immigrant communities. There is a ton of stress on services and other negative externalities. People were more pro immigrant under Trump because it stayed at Obama levels
In 1924 the US enacted strict immigration controls so that the flood of Ellis Island immigrants could assimilate. That’s what’s happening now and you just can’t see it.
Per Nowrasteh's piece below, as well as other analysis we've seen, it turns out that less-educated immigrants are as susceptible to various Trump-ecosystem propaganda as are less-educated natives.
Not a new or unique phenomenon. A lot of immigrants, once entrenched, sneer at other groups of immigrants. "I got mine, who cares about others?" Not all are like this, but a good chunk of them. I know it's trite, but immigrants aren't a monolith, even about immigration.
Nobody likes line cutters. They cut a line those folks waited in, or their family is STILL waiting in. We can speed the line up, but not while anybody is cutting it.
Uncontrolled immigration, especially one accompanied by crimes, makes life far harder for immigrants who already are in. So no surprises there.
The legal immigrants who are law abiding do not want to see their country turn into the countries they fled from. What a revelation this must be. How shocking.
Yep, legal immigrants worked hard to get here, why would they be happy when they see people who came here illegally get special treatment?
People who worked their butts off to become citizens aren't interested in giving others relative freebie citizenship.
It's the whole thing of idk if this is entirely why it's done, but continuing to keep legal immigration very difficult leads to "everyone must have it as difficult as I did"
Immigrants did a lot of hard work to leave behind their country of origin and it's culture. I can understand them not wanting it following them.
That makes sense economically. New migrants dampen the wages of recent migrants, but doesn't dampen native wages, so recent migrants have an incentive to limit new migration.
Legal immigrants have the most to lose when illegal immigration is not just tolerated but promoted.
Media's failure to portray disastrous policies being pursued by the administration in a fair manner is also hurting them with this demographic. Many voted for him in 2024, not realizing that they'd be targeting legal avenues of immigration more than illegal ones. And many are
Because legal immigrants wait 5-20 years for their right to live in the country and will resent those who didn’t.
Giving oxygen to riots and generally thumbing your nose at federal immigration law won’t help this. But that’s what elected dems are doing.
Immigrants are human beings with foibles. My friends mother is illegal still and she like to complain about "venezuelans" While the republican see no difference between the two
Legal immigrants who went through the proper process are notoriously opposed to illegals. This should come as a surprise to nobody. It's just a subset swinging from apathy to actual disgust at the moment.
reason: the "white supremacy" guilt trip (psych warfare, gaslighting that short circuits logic & moral compass) doesn't work on legal immigrants.
Why was this a surprise? Student loan forgiveness was also unpopular among people who paid their student loans. Responsible people rarely like the irresponsible. It’s childish. Follow the law. Riots in this context are even worse- brats having tantrums instead of being adults.
There are Trump signs in the black and brown neighborhood in Chicago and signs with nobody is illegal in front of 5 mil tudor style mansions in non walkable far away suburbs where the politicians live 🙄
I’m a naturalized American myself and a conservation thru and thru. It aligns with my belief and life style nothing against anti American party
What changed? It's not like Democrat policy has changed. Were people that easily fooled by democrats lying to flood the country with criminal invaders?
It’s a fear response from the Latinos. It’s denial that they will be affected and so they think that voting trump shows that they’re safe. It really is their dislike of trans which democrats allowed themselves to be weighed down by.
As an immigrant who has gone through several steps to citizenship, yes, I am against ILLEGAL immigration, not immigration, obviously. We know it can be done the right way, so we have a harder time tolerating that others don’t. It is not okay to do anything illegal in my book.
Nobody likes fobs, especially if you live right next to them which a lot of immigrants do. We also see the bad apples that came in thanks to Biden/Harris and are disgusted. Speaking from experience since I live in a heavily immigrant city.
It cause legal immigrants hate line cutters. My mom an immigrant was a Biden simp cause Trump hated immigrants to a maga cause of the migrants crisis.
One of the most ardent Trump-supporting anti-immigrant people I know is herself an immigrant who came to the US with her family as a child as political refugees.
I've said this before but my immigrant wife voted for Joe Biden in '20 and Trump in '24. Illegal immigration was one of her top issues.
That’s what happens when democrats intentionally conflate people who followed the rules with those who didn’t. The rule followers don’t appreciate that.
Why would legal immigrants support illegal immigration? Democrats have made it CRYSTAL CLEAR in the last 15-20 years they want to FLOOD the country with illegal migrants. In 2006 they voted for a 700 mile border fence! Wow times have changed.