Texas tried to build a High Speed Rail back in the 1990s.
But Southwest Airlines killed it because they convinced the state that they would have affordable travel between the cities and free checked bags.
Now Southwest has neither...
...and Texas doesn't have high speed rail.
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Imagine how much more dominant the Texas Triangle would have been if we actually started building a TGV back in the 90s.
texans are pretty cocky until you remind them the french figured out high speed rail decades ago
High speed rail makes a lot more sense in flat Texas Triangle than CA. The mountains geting in & out of the central valley slow things down. Doing this back in the 80s before things got so developed would have been ideal.
Stop with promoting old tech. It's still far cheaper to fly than take a train, it's just that the taxpayers are on the hook for most of the fare. A better option self-driving EVs. More environmentally friendly, convenient, faster, safer. $0 cost to taxpayers
So a company that was a MAIN COMPETITOR for this high speed rail project told them that it wouldn't make sense to build a competing travel route and then they removed those "advantages" they had later on? Whoa! Didn't see that coming! What a joke!
Thatโs a ridiculous narrative. They were one of the players, but far from the only one, and that was far from the only reason it failed.
Airplanes are just the longhouse of the sky.
Trains are more masculine.
I can get up, roam, walk to the cafe car, and even get off the train at any stop I please.
And I can manspread.
If you're traveling within the state, why do you need to check a bag?
I posted this on another thread but we went to Mexico City & Oaxaca for spring break 2yr ago and London/Paris for spring break last year and did not check 1 bag in.
Thoughts on public transport within Texan cities once they get off the train and out of the station?
Flying is still pretty cheap, if youโre only flying somewhere within state why would you be checking a bag anyway?
Perfectly happen without a train
Its not a long drive between big cities and not having a car when you get there is very inconvenient
You can still build it if you want. Maybe get Gavin Newsom involved, you will get trains to nowhere that cost taxpayers over $100B. Or, maybe hire the same private contract that is doing the line from LA to Las Vegas on their dime. Your choice.
Texas is one of the few places in the US where high speed rail may make sense - large population centers far enough apart to make it worth it, but lots of empty, mostly flat land in between.
What??? An excellent affordable public service quashed by the interests of a corporation. No.
We're still living the consequences of autos on train service from pre-1950's.
Same thing Elon does. Lobbies cities/states to not do a project under the โI can do it better and cheaper. It doesnโt get done neither cheaper or betterโฆ or at all. Example: the Loop in Las Vegas.
Flying by air between these cites is still cheaper then most contries charge for rail. Ita ain't cheap in France or Japan.
Dallas & Houston had daily 90-100 mph passenger trains pulled by steam & oil powered steam locomotives 85 years ago (1937-55 SP RR โSunbeamโ trains) linking those two cities on the same existing mostly freight-only RR line there today. 21st Century USA railroad progress?
While Southwest was the main instigator in causing its imminent death, it was met with other issues.
Bet you 1000 dollars Texas TGV never would have happened regardless. 2000 it would not have changed that much had it did.
Southwest is a POS airline. Southwest decided not to fly into Logan Airport in Boston due to gate fees and made all these promises to Providence and stabbed them in the back when Logan caved.
Not only was it just a concept, but a full blown proposal by Morrison Knudsen (today AECOM) for construction, Bombardier Transportation for infrastructure, and GEC-Alsthom (today Alstom SA) for rolling stock. All taken down for the promise of free bags foreverโฆ
At this point I do not know if American state governments are politically mature enough to handle this kind of infrastructure spending. Brightline and private financing seems like the way forward for now.
Another regional impact of SWA - Albuquerque used to have many direct flights due to the Wright Amendment, which SWA opposed. Once that was repealed, many of the routes that came through ABQ were eliminated. Most HS rail plans have routes through here, but we didnโt build them
We need civic minded people to take the lead on these projects. The business community has neither the foresight nor the impetus to get big projects like this across the finish line.
Southwest also tried to kill it within the last 15 years as well.
The same rail proposal Amtrak is currently working on was a private enterprise originally.
Good luck trying to eminent domain all those people in Texasโฆ
Those people care about their land more than they care about people in cities being able to get from one to anotherโฆ.
I'm not sure what the point of this is when even in Europe, flying is still cheaper.
Remember when I told you dallas has been the thing thatโs killed HSR every time?? (Southwest is dallas)
Since itโs Texas you have to sit with fat people thigh to thigh on the plane when a more spacious train would leave me un moisoned in their spacious seats.
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guess weโre the only ones doing free baggage now
N'idรฉalisez pas le Supertrain : en France, les opรฉrateurs de TGV s'inspirent de plus en plus de l'aviation commerciale. Les bagages sont dรฉsormais rรฉglementรฉs, leur volume et leur nombre limitรฉs, et l'accรจs au train ressemble de plus en plus ร une procรฉdure d'enregistrement.
This country could've been actually modern but no, that's for countries that aren't controlled by 50 ceos in a trench coat
I mean idk about this history but if they had 30! Years of southwest flying them and no checked bags I wouldnโt say they lied
Those sky devils have been a menace upon my city since the passing of the Wright Amendment
The lack of competition plus post 9/11 security theater enabled the gradual deterioration of airline service over the last 25 years
Most light rails quickly turn into transit for cracked out homeless people to get out of the weather, or to travel between parks.
Texan here; the people who actually are still actively killing the high speed rail project are the primarily-White land owners who have had this project tied up in court for decades over imminent domain concerns. They also want a % of any retail sales built along the route.
9/11/2001 also turned flying into a long, time-consuming ordeal compared to the 1980sโฆ..
Texas doesnโt have a lot of other good things too. Thanks, Greg.
I think Governor Rick Scott made the same argument against rail here in Florida.
High speed rail is a money loser. Just ask Minnesotans. We have to pay for every person that rides the rails because the ticket cost would be exorbitant. You're dodged a bullet.
Many Texans donโt want the HSR! Itโs an investment in outdated infrastructure and an ABUSE of eminent domain.
I wonder who is paying the person running this account to promote this propaganda!?
If it was anything like California's high speed rail they would have taken 50 years to complete it. Everyone in CA is eagerly awaiting high speed rail from Modesto to Bakersfield. So scenic!
Kochโs American for Prosperity did the same in Wisconsin under Scott Walker.
We could still get this if we just told Texas the gays and Mexicans stole their trains.
Make them hate someone and you can easily control them
Private companies have a fiduciary obligation to lobby in their own interests. Texas leadership has an obligation not to be retarded and not to give in.
Stop blaming a single company on the stupid lack of rail infrastructure in Texas.
Imagine being a retard like this schmuck! Nobody wants your stupid rail ideas. Go sell that crap to CA! Oh wait you did!
Can literally anything happen without you guys turning it into complaining about trains that noone wants?
Self driving pickup trucks would serve more people who have ever lived in Texas. Bags are free there.
Does California? Or any US state?
Stop with promoting this outdated tech. Touch grass.
Check-Mate Southwest! Airline Goes Bag Wars! 


fake news southwest killed it cause its a cheaper and better alt and it still is