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"China has basically the inverse problem as America. We subsidize demand and restrict supply. They subsidize supply and restrict demand. We can’t rebuild fallen bridges. They build bridges to nowhere. In the most desirable cities in this country, every random Victorian house and park bench is a historic site that can’t be disturbed. There, they’ll bulldoze a 500 year old temple to build an endless skyscraper complex that no one wants to live in." Nicely put, by .
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I feel like a Californian should not be allowed to say "China builds bridges to nowhere" when California is building high-speed rail from Merced to Bakersfield.
America’s focus on individual rights often leads to paralyzing overprotection, while China’s focus on collective progress sometimes sacrifices human-scale needs.
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Isn't it ironic? China's got an excess of houses, while the US is scrambling for more. If only we could teleport that surplus halfway across the world! 🏠✈️🏠 #HousingCrisis #Housing #RealEstate
This is kinda foolish propaganda actually only to make China haters feels good
Making up these abstract and useless binaries is one of the very many problems of America. Stop playing with words and ideas—face fucking reality, do real things, measure results, learn, repeat.
The Chinese approach is failing to adequately enrich the lawyers, consultants, and all the other folks that do the voluminous studies that almost no one ever reads. They are also missing the joy of hearing the complaints of the most misanthropic people at public comments.
But ultimately the root cause is the same. Government more concerned with preserving the power of those who have it than addressing the needs of those who don’t. Perverse incentives produce perverse outcomes.
There aren't a lot of Victorian houses and we can preserve them while building plenty of housing. Just look at New York. 1000+ foot high rises within a few steps of historic brownstones.
Daci temple in Chengdu. Built in 3rd century, rebuilt in the Tang dynasty (622). Now sitting in the center of Chengdu, with the IFS complex on one side, and the Taikooli shopping area on the other. More history there than you will ever have. Go back to school.
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No. That's completely just cherry picking a few instances. We subsidize supply all the time. Farmers, oil, the whole military industrial complex, all at the expense of the ppl.
Their 4 best preserved old cities (Pingyao, Lijiang Old Town, Huizhou Ancient City, and Langzhong Ancient City) are still more ancient than those Victorian buildings in the US... The US IS subsidizing US supply: the oil industry, eg, banks, Wall Street.
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The City God Temple of Pingyao City, Shanxi Province of China. Founded during the Western Zhou Dynasty (1046 – 771 BC) and rebuilt in 1370, Pingyao is one of China's four best preserved old cities together with Lijiang Old Town, Huizhou Ancient City and Langzhong Ancient City.
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Are they still bulldozing the temples? During the cultural revolution they destroyed all the temples. And then rebuilt replicas a few decades ago when they realized they had destroyed thousands of years of cultural legacy. I'd be surprised if they were doing that just for graft
There's a lot of homeless Americans who'd take that in a heartbeat over being homeless. Lot of folks who'd take an overgrown national HSR system over the shittiness we have here. A lot of American GDP is just rent seekers not actual innovation.
"There, they’ll bulldoze a 500 year old temple to build an endless skyscraper complex that no one wants to live in." Really? Any citation for this claim?
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China has the most numerous and best preserved ancient cities and towns in East Asia. This is just a fact, yet many foreigners don't seem to know this. This is Haining, just 100km Southwest from Shanghai city center.
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The sad part is that the US clearly has the better problem. We could fix our regulatory environment and unleash supply. But alas, we treat regulatory laws and agencies such as NEPA, CEQA, and the EPA as infallible sacred texts and high priests who are not to be questioned.
Are you really doing "ghost cities" memes in the year of our lord almost 2025? "Sometimes they build stuff early because they actually plan things! This is a problem, like having a crumbling 100 year old infrastructure that we don't fix so we can send more bombs to kill kids" 🤡
Lovely notes from personal experiences/observations , which are truly reflective of real ground realities. Comments of "They subsidize supply and restrict demand.", however, might be a bit elusive. as no specific cases of "restrict demand", nor "subsidize supply".
I bet the author can't give one example of China in recent years bulldozing a 500 years old temple just to build a highrising no one wants to live in. And neither can you (or prove me wrong please). Because he made it up bc it fits in his ideology & bias against China.
“ I spent two weeks there but i witnessed they’ll bulldoze a 500 year old temple to build an endless skyscraper complex that no one wants to live in” do you need to read further? When you feed those fake narratives, you get attention but you ruin your future generations to come
A bumfuck nowhere town is like 600k to China, in America it's like 350. I don't want to hear from Americans talking about bridge to nowhere in China.
China builds anticipating future demand. The US doesn't even take care of the people who need housing now. Not sure what point you think you're making here, but there is no equivalence.
Neither of you know what you are talking about. The US overproduces & underproduces certain goods & services in the same way that China does, although perhaps not to the extreme in some cases. What does the US make too much vis a vis China is the more pertinent question.
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Before 20th century, almost every Chinese city was surrounded by city walls. Most big city walls are gone except in Xi'an and Nanjing. But there are some smaller cities that still have intact walls. Taizhou still has 6km Ming Dynasty walls built against Japanese pirates (Wokou)
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Li Jingjing 李菁菁
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Besides futuristic cities, there are also cities with beautiful nature and traditional Chinese buildings. This is the Classical Gardens of Suzhou, the style is believed to be originated from 475-221 BC. This is also China.👇 #travelChina
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Located in Zhenglan Banner of Xilingol League, north China's Inner Mongolia Autonomous Region, the relic site of Xanadu, or Yuan Shangdu ruins, is one of the best preserved sites of the capital cities of Yuan Dynasty (1271-1368) in China
The “bridges to nowhere” thing is so fucking dumb, American publishers did this with the “ghost cities”. When you invest in a population, you’re building a future for your country whose purpose becomes apparent with time, something people like you fail to comprehend.