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YIMBYLAND
@YIMBYLAND
Sorry, if you're going 100+ mph over the speed limit, you dont get a "low income fee". You go strait to MF jail.
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YIMBYLAND
@YIMBYLAND
I could see some income-based fines in the 11-15mph range, but anything over 15 is frankly ridiculous.
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Ty Clay
@TyDClay
You get both. Driving 100+ MPH on the highway gets you a misdemeanor criminal reckless driving charge AND you can be hit with the fine. If it's good policy to scale the financial deterrent at lower stakes, I don't intuit a reason to get rid of it at higher stakes.
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YIMBYLAND
@YIMBYLAND
Yea, I can totally see income-based fines at 10-15 over. Plenty of well-meaning ppl make that mistake and it shouldn’t mean stressing about feeding your kids that week.
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Often Correct
@OftCorrect
Agree in theory, but not gonna happen. Jail requires a jury to find you guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. That's a hard standard to meet with a picture from a camera.
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casemation
@casemation
Strict on this crime is so much more important. It kills more people than any of the other issues people scream about
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A$AP Bullwinkle
@rbcalvin
Something interesting: speed camera tickets in California are not considered moving violations. Under the pilot program authorized by AB 645, these tickets are classified as civil penalties rather than criminal offenses. They do not result in points on a driver’s license and are
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Aurum
@A_zruh
yeah if anything there should be a high income extra penalty not a lower low income fee. ofc the ppl in charge don’t actually want to be fair in a positive way
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Brian
@brian_bancroft
Agreed, but what are your thoughts on adjusting the fines by class of vehicle as opposed to income? SUVs + Trucks + Sport Cars vs compacts and coupes vs bikes?
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🇺🇸Captain Lank🇺🇸
@CaptainLank13
In my county in Missouri, 25+ over requires a really, REALLY good explanation or minor jail time. Like you’re going to at least get 2 days to think about what’s happening here. 25 over on the interstate isn’t that bad; 25 over through a residential area can kill someone.
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kids today don't appreciate a good gerontocracy
@MinnHuman
Much better way to do this fee structure would be fee and high income fee (say 500%+ above median income). And the high income fee should be at least 5x above the reg fee. These numbers are all too low even for 1st time offenses. 25+ MPH should be automatic DL suspension
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DPatriot ⭐⭐⭐
@mrdwp2
What happens when the low income person can't pay their subsidized fine? Do they get a free 5 star hotel room with free wet bar?
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launching 40mm
@STI40mm
Yeah, it's a loaner Porsche. The personality is just a Seattle thing! Give the ticket to society, they're to blame!
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sdmat
@sdmat123
Anyone who can get to 100MPH in San Fransisco should immediately be recruited as a tactical driver for three letter agencies
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Tom Hynes
@TJH314
This is a civil penalty that goes to the owner of the car. If you want to put the driver in jail, use the camera evidence to charge her and give her a jury trial.
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Kamuela
@Kamuela
This applies progressive taxation to everything, and I think illustrates how stupid progressive taxation is, ultimately.
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Jimmy Pizza
@rsomething
It’s insane to just have a small fee for going 100mph over the speed limit in a gridded city that has a stop sign or red light at every single corner and has a citywide speed limit of 25mph. You have to blow through stops to hit that speed.
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Forrest Sholars
@fsholars
Virginia considers anything over 85 or 20 miles over as reckless driving and is a class 1 misdemeanor and minimum $250 fine. Which I consider reasonable.
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ZaxxonGalaxian
@ZaxxonGalaxian
How does one even do that in a crowded city? I’ve seen idiot street racers on highways in Columbus and they were going like 100, not 160.
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Isodif 🍁
@Isodif
If you are going over 100mph over the limit there better be a medical emergency involved or I'm all for the police introduce one to you.
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RelaxRelaxshi
@RelaxRelaxshi
This is an example of why I never go to San Francisco anymore, although I only live 25 minutes away. I used to go 2 or 3 times a week but I haven’t been there in years.
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Zach Baguette
@BaugherZach
Yeah not jailing severe reckless driving is wild policy to begin with. Another example of tolerance and empathy with potentially fatal consequences. I wouldn't be able to sleep at night if I helped enact this policy.
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Tom Kelly ケリー・トム
@tomkXY
It’s probably just easier to make it a flat 50% waiver on the existing fines. Anyone driving that recklessly should still lose their license. Repeat offenders should be prosecuted for criminal negligence.
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Muad'Dib
@gpaulu
My brain is broken because a low income fee discount offends me while a high income discharge makes sense to me. (Yes, I understand these are the same thing.)
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James Hutcheon
@hutcho66
Would be a $1000 fine and an automatic 12 month licence suspension in Australia. You get a 3 month licence suspension for 25km/h over which would only just be a $100 fine in SF!
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No. 1 Hater
@no2hater
Guy who doesn’t want a raise at work because he gets caught speeding so much that he would net less money if he no longer qualifies for the low income fee
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@spencer.eedq.org
@Snabblie
For speed cameras I can understand just doing fines. Depending on how it's set up, it could be very hard to prove a criminal offense while trivial to prove a civil fine.
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Robot Potato
@mosb1000
Even the normal fee is just $500? It makes no sense, that should be a felony, it's reckless endangerment.
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CuriousBystender
@CBystender
Should be like in Switzerland. Fine is a percent of your annual income based on the most recent tax return. Everyone pays the same percentage of income so it hurts the same.
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SquishyKitty
@SquishyPon3
Doing these blanket sweeps is just simple policy implementation. A low income person going >100mph is a marginal situation. It's unnecessary to center this conversation around the income adjusted fines - something which is just good policy. Wealthy people avoid real consequences.
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Acoustic Effort
@AcousticEffort
Chicago has a bunch of high ways that should be 70, but they put them at 55, so they can pull people over going 80 and give them a "going more than 20 MPH" ticket. But they were really going with the flow of traffic with everyone else, going slow is dangerous.
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SoCal Cynic
@PatrioticPerv
Sorry but that carceral thinking is what got us into this mess in the first place. I think low income punishments should be doubling their rent
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Austen
@ageewriter
50% lower I don't think recognizes the income variance that exists. That said has anyone ever gone 100 over the speed limit?
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Mr. Plumpton Esquire
@ThWitchDoctor
Eh you can argue that the $500+ should be the *starting fine but income scaled fines for speeding do have a good economic justification in that wealthier individuals will probs need larger fines to produce the exact same deterrent effect due to their opportunity cost of time.
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Ivan Ovalle
@IvanOvalle19
$250-500 fine for going over 100MPH in a residencial area is legitimately insane . That should be a minimum of 5 years in jail .
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Bored Raider Fan
@LionelRama62326
I recognize these graphics are meant to make people mad at progressive policies. But as someone who agrees fees proportional to income, this is dumb. At a certain point consequences should be real. 100mph over the limit is deadly.
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Hyza
@Hyza87
In Switzerland, for heavy infraction, we apply "income per day" fines. Some rich fucks get $100'000 fines. Also, we confiscate their car. We used to force them to watch how their car was crushed in a press.
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Florian Schrie
@FloSchrie
Jail aside, both of those fees are ridiculously low. More than 25mph (40km/h) over the limit should cost you a month's wage at the least!
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native in a strange land
@Hank_Hill_Texan
wait, WTF? isn't this the very definition of a two-tiered justice system. Also speed cameras are just revenue generating machines. you can't argue with them, or test them, they could tack on 3mph whenever there was a budget shortfall and you would never know.
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Craig Collins
@landsnark
Can someone explain why going over 100MPH in the City of San Francisco should qualify for a Low Income fine exemption?
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Minerva
@rooteruditorum
Anything 25+ over in Australia will get an immediate license suspension and higher that is revokation and court (and possibly jail)
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doge_centurion
@DogeCenturion
all the ways to fuck up on the road, and the only thing anyone ever talks about is speeding. Very demoralizing seeing how dishonest/propagandized people are on this.
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Mo
@MoQader3399
Tell me you’re gay without telling me you’re gay 😂😂😂 oh speeding peepo are bad, 100mph 😱😱😱 bunch of fa99s. I thought America is the land of nascar, except it’s populated with soybois.
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Bess With The Ball
@BessWithTheBall
The reason only a civil penalty (a fine) is issued and not an arrest is because automated speed/traffic cameras are unconstitutional in a criminal proceeding because of the right of the defendant to have an accuser. In other words, a camera can't accuse someone of crime, not to
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