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as an example, it was so well known that googling “free tibet simpsons” brings up at least five different things (theres really more). most people now have probably never even seen a free tibet sticker or sign in real life. just totally left the public mind after full saturation
from a neutral point of view, if you were china at the height of the free tibet movement, fast forwarding to now, you really got a best case scenario. you got it all: nothing changed, no one thinks about it, no one brings it up - an extremely interesting total informational win.
its an interesting thing to honestly go into because a lot of it has to do with the rise of the modern nation state, complex political dominion claims, and so on. im oddly familiar with “both sides” but ultimately it only relates to topics i know intimately via art and religion.
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That map is of what Tibet historically claims, what they actually had in 1951 is another matter (not taking sides).
The whole Free Tibet thing started in the 80's after the PRC fell more in to the Western sphere with the West arming them to become a counter to the USSR.
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This is almost entirely because of Hollywood. China was totally closed to Hollywood films until 1994. By 1997 the studios were moving to self-censor and movies like Tomorrow Never Dies were full of "China is our friend" themes. Tibet was already on its way out of consciousness.
It’s similar to Kurds in Eastern Turkey. The population has been assimilated to an extent that there isn’t enough local energy to support a global movement.
Nobody in Tibet is helping the “Free Tibet” movement, so what are you going to do?
The Free Tibet stuff used to be huge on college campuses 20 years ago
I remember reading about the abuse and forced subservience in mainstream publications at the time, now you’re hard pressed to find anyone who’s even heard of it whose under 30
Went to the SF Tibetan Freedom Concert in '96.
Many of these bands still tour, none will say a single word about Tibet or China human rights.
My only foreign policy concern is restoring the ancient rights of Tibet and arming them with three thousand nuclear weapons
"Let's organize a bunch of loud talking against a nuclear power"
Tibet does not deserve freedom they were like every libtard stereotype about a medieval tyrant except its okay because they're Buddhist I guess. Legit hundreds of thousands of slaves serving the lhamas
theoretically open to something like this but part of me feels strongly that, for health reasons, the earth should have at least one kingdom on it that chooses an infant leader via divination.
I unironically believe this is why:
There's the Falun Gong too, and now you have the Uhigurs. There's always some handy oppressed peoples in western China. In ten years, the Tajiks will get their due
The entire US left takes money, if not marching orders, from the CCP.
Map gamers understand it takes around 50 years to add a place to your core provinces after annexation. Near the fifty year point, there was one last attempt to bring interest to it/raise a rebellion. Now it's too late, and the game goes on.
There used to be banners and graffiti in the early 90s.
All long gone now, and the Lefties have a faux-history about that conquest as fake as their account of the history of Palestine
Seems like the kind of thing the Free Palestine crowd would be into. Wonder why not...
Because people realised it made no sense. Tibet has the population density of a desert, no economy, no infrastructure, no history of independence (only autonomy, it was already legally Chinese before the CCP takeover) and its historical form of government is a feudal theocracy.
Current thing-ism just took longer to go through its cycles pre social media.
Soo. It was a touch before my time, but I remember the concerts and everything supporting the movement. What were the drivers and marketing powers that popularized the initial movement?
I feel like The Beaatie Boys were propping this movement up for a long time
Only the bottom left state in that map is the former kingdom that they annexed in the 50s though
During peak Free Tibet, monks were auctioning off items from temples.
These artifacts, often centuries old aren’t worth much today.
Because they lost. Everyone wants to be seen as backing the underdog. But no one wants to be seen as having backed a loser. So it just fades out.
My state (Virginia) still has a Friends of Tibet license plate option that supports a Tibetan charity. That’s the most I see of the “Free Tibet” movement nowadays.
It’s also the closest thing we have geographically to a wasteland. Nothing grows there because of the Himalayan affects on it
The power of propaganda, of which we have been subjected to for decades from a lying MSM
This would be Palestine in 10-20 years if Israel didn’t strike back after October 7th and instead posed itself as a victim. The retaliation will have been a mistake long term
It only worked for boomer ex hippies and Ukraine/taiwan are the proxy wars of importance now
To be honest, China is just waiting on the Dali Lama to die.
His movement is so fractioned it will become irrelevant after he’s gone.
The CCP will "annex" the whole world if people don't fight back against tyrants.
I used to feel much more sympathy until I realized they were a willfully medieval demonic pagan theocracy.
You know what would have freed Tibet? Good old-bashioned back-room-deal arms shipments just like Reagan used to make.
Not the way Obama/Hillary/McCain made. Those idiots should have just used bumper stickers, "Free Libya!"
There are people who still care, but yeah, its a movement that basically doesn't exist anymore.
Mostly because they've been drowned out for decades, nowadays you get some new shit every so often, Ukraine, Gaza, etc. because the idiots move on. But Tibet is an example of what will
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That map is of what Tibet historically claims, what they actually had in 1951 is another matter (not taking sides).
The whole Free Tibet thing started in the 80's after the PRC fell more in to the Western sphere with the West arming them to become a counter to the USSR.
People talk a lot about how much the right has changed, but the left has changed even more. You sometimes meet a leftist who still holds these views and you can at least have a conversation with them. This was from the a time when the left didn't worship the Intelligence Agencies