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Jason Crawford
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This seems bad
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Stuart Buck
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Inexplicable Cuts at the Department of Education
Recently, DOGE has bragged about terminating 89 contracts worth a collective $881 million at the Institute for Education Sciences at the US Department of Education. Penny-wise but pound-foolish. They...
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Jason Crawford
@jasoncrawford
Some people are saying that education outcomes haven't improved in all that time and therefore we should shut down the studies Might be something I'm missing, but aren't long-run studies how we *know* whether education outcomes have improved or not?
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Jason Crawford
@jasoncrawford
(BTW, there was way too much noise in the comment threads, I couldn't follow it all, so I decided to limit comments to people I follow. Only other realistic option was to mute or just ignore it)
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Darwin's Money
@EverydayFinance
It says though a two week pause in collection of data somehow destroys 40 years worth of research. You just pick up where you left off or you have some gaps and whatever. All is not lost.
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Sean Saulsbury
@seanjs
What’s bad is supposed Objectivists supporting efforts to “improve” [government] education. No. Delete. And delete government involvement in education. This is Ayn Rand 101.
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gamage viriththamulla
@ashane888
Education needs to be managed only by states. Just look around, it is not a political issue. There are plenty of good schools in many different states regardless of their elected members of the political party. It is a local issue !
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A Araya
@artaraya
And yet with all these "famous, long-running, and useful studies", we keep falling further behind the rest of the world. Maybe they're not so wonderful or useful?
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Mark W
@dragynrydermw
These studies have produced zero things of use. "Findings." For this money we should have suggestions. Some answers to why our kids are failing.
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joe, because my diction is not so good
@joe3737
Programs should be judged by their results, not their longevity. Good programs when cancelled should be reinstated, once they have demonstrated they can run efficiently. After 60 years of no house cleaning, its easier just to throw everything out and bring back the best 10%.
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David
@DWBWRYB866
Just because the US government stops funding it doesn't mean the research has to stop. If the research is valuable, find someone else to pay for it... maybe colleges/universities with billion $ endowments...
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Apparent Pseudonym
@luckydogtwit88
I highly doubt it was unwitting. I have questions about the importance, but even if we grant both of those assertions, DOGE has said clearly and often that mistakes will be made and, if truly important, the programs can be restored. They also have said many times that, if you’re
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🐐QuirkyLlama
@quirkyllama
Probably a mistake to cancel- but what of it? What has come out of all this data? The entire educational edifice seems actively hostile to evidence-based practices?
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BRCooper⚡🔋🚀
@_BRCooper
All of the studies the dept of ed has ever done in their 45 year history have only made education in America worse. I fail to see how this is bad.
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reiver
@reiverSF
Good call out. I've heard in pressers Elon state that their process expects they will get things wrong. And when voices speak up they can go back and fix it. This sort of call out works with the program as designed to fix things that deserve funding to be put back.
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Adrian Bisson
@Adrian_Bisson
Each of those programs should start a GoFundMe and see if they are important, valued, and efficient enough to be supported through *voluntary* means.
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Tom Primožič 🪐🍣🥢🤖🦾🦿🚀🗻🍌🫐🍍🍤🌯/acc
@tomprimozic
cancel first, ask questions later if they're really "useful" they can always be resumed / reinstated but TBH I seriously doubt they're *actually* useful - have they improved educational outcomes in any way? has *ANY* research??
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Clifton Clowers
@fozlolah
why would we pay for someone to check the chlorine levels after we told the kids it was their responsibility to maintain the pool?
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Catherine
@CatherineInFL
Don't remove a bolt then ask "what does this do?" Wait for the full picture. Everything looks "bad" when taken in isolation. The DoE has been funding some things that sound nice but are subversive. The name alone means nothing.
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Nat Whilk
@for_nat_whilk
lol why? How could someone make the claim “if the federal government does anything well it’s collect statistics”? Even if true, what has any of that gotten us for the cost? Why is it framed “for no particular reason” when we have no money, isn’t that reason enough?
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occasional tourist
@ocasionalturist
Useful how? Have the insights from these studies improved education in any measurable way? Cuz all the objective measures indicate our school system is failing to teach math and reading, thats what PISA shows. And FYI the TIMSS sudy is Conducted by The International Association
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Jerry T
@JerryTurin
Those are the most important projects in the firing line? At most they are neutral in value, duplicative, end up filed in dusty bins, and sign me up if we save vast sums of money and these are the worst casualties.
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Paul TG
@PhotosByPaul
So find even more studies that are, yet again, showing how bad our education system has become. Why don't we funf some studies on how to fix it?
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Marcus Reed
@Captain74205
Fear porn. Anything actually useful can be restarted. Now is the time to determine if these programs bring value to the education system. Have they improved education outcomes? Or, do they collect data for the sake of having data.
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ZBR
@ZBRquery
Pretty sure we know we're doing poorly and that won't change unless some major leverage is applied against educational players like teachers unions and the DoE
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Adam
@idlebell
@elonmusk
fix this. Education at scale is not solved. These seem like good use of tax dollars. We should be ever more serious on solving mass education. It’s important for national security.
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SteelBlaidd
@SteelBlaidd
This seems the me a consequence if the rampant false signaling in the government as it stands. It feels like what we had to do when we bought our house to map the actual circuits on our breakers.
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V, Dutch Mermaid 🧜
@Vness_is_late
Not to me. You don't think they could call around and ask people to send them their numbers. Might take a week to assemble. And that cost this amount of money. Just a suggestion.
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Rytmfl0w
@Congoapd
Can you share some actions which were inspired and helpful based on these studies? Something concrete?
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Nick
@nickwithfries
As someone who went to public school in the last 20 years, I assure you that these studies are doing absolutely nothing to improve the experience of being a student. I would rather all this money go to the teachers.
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Thomas Paine
@ThomasP86310979
Summarization: 1. High School Study - Scores continue to decline. Study harder. 2. Kindergarten Study - Meaningless and waste of money. 3. Trends in Math and Science - We're always behind. Study harder. 4. School Crime - Inner city schools = Horrible. Suburban schools = Ok.
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Rajvosa
@Rajvosa19Sa
Honestly - there is an apparent reason. If it is done in scientific way you cannot hide or distort facts easily, but if it is done by partisans agents, one can make up any number they want.
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Dr Dick Gargantuan, DMD
@MikeJazzpenis
Yeah, lots of people don’t have experience leading organizational change across large organizations. This is a strategy. Cut too much and let the kicked dog howl. See who fights for what, why and how hard. Make a determination and move on to the next thing.
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notsureaboutthat84
@notsureaboutt20
Almost every recommendation those first two Studies have made have lowered the quality of Education in this country. The second two definitely have provided a lot of useful data. Hopefully there was a plan in place to replace or streamline them before the contracts were canceled.
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Knox
@hknox_
Wow! “Many hugely important educational findings”!!! There must be too many to list!
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Travel by the Mile
@TravelbytheCoin
They'll fine tune all this and you know it. But we all know you're more concerned about democrats keeping their corrupt flow of tax dollars going. Deal with it better, Jason.
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Harry Johnson
@JohnsonHarry66
So lets get this straight ,….. they are provide critcal info in some cases since 1980’s and the entire time every metric is nose diving….. either they are USELESS or NOBODY pays attention either way ….. it has deteriorated not gotten better their entire LIFE.
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Number Talker 1️⃣4️⃣3️⃣❤️6️⃣3️⃣7️⃣
@numbertalker
"unwittingly". as if DOGE is just some clueless noobs who cant ~POSSIBLY~ want us taxpayers to stop funding all these projects with no tangible benefits
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t3knoH44kr
@t3kn0H44k3r
We have the worst educated children in the world and the worst educational system. So these “longitudinal” studies were worthless, they did nothing. Fuck them and fuck you too.
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El Campeador
@RodrigoSayyid
Our education system has been going downhill for a long time. A study that started in the 80s obviously didnt do anything to improve education
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Pi Weed
@JJJ314159420
Oh no whatever will we do when the federal government does fund data to be lied about by NGOs Bro fund your own damn study
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